Topic: Day-by-Day Review: 2015 Chevrolet Impala LTZ; Day 1

[Sir Osis of Liver]

For a lot of people, Malibu and Impala are well regarded. Certainly well recognized.[/b

But remain year after year in the sales toilet. 


Ask Scion marketing how well they're doing with that money pit.



What money pit would that be?    Lets see the chart. 


Just for sh*ts and giggles:

Toyota’s net income also led the industry for the quarter. Its profit was about 30 percent higher than Volkswagen’s 3.19 billion euros ($4.4 billion), and surpassed the combined earnings of General Motors, Ford Motor Co., Nissan Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co.

 

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140805/OEM/140809916/toyota-profit-surges-on-u.s.-suv-demand

See below. Chevrolet sold well over twice as many Impalas (140k US, 3.4k Canada) as Scion sold across their entire range combined (58k US, 3.9k Canada).

The brand is a money pit.

[Jaeger]

Yes it is but I had more fun driving a Flex than the SHO. The real sleeper is the Flex Ecoboost.

Agreed.  At least the Flex isn't trying - unsuccessfully - to hide the fact that it is a huge barge.  There is a certain candor about the design that I have always appreciated.

[EV-Light]

Yes it is but I had more fun driving a Flex than the SHO. The real sleeper is the Flex Ecoboost.

I disagree, the Flex has too much body roll and the higher center of gravity doesn't help as well....the only problem with the SHO is the numb steering, but it seems like this is a new trend in the auto industry.

[Solstice2006]

SirO, don't waste time feeding the Toyota fans.  They are too stubborn.  And love the simplicity of Toyota appliances.  Impala over Avalon any day of the week for me.  Malibu goes back and forth, some redesigns as good as Accord (especially 2008).  GM wouldn't risk changing names, when they sell over 200,000 Malibus.   

[rrocket]

See below. Chevrolet sold well over twice as many Impalas (140k US, 3.4k Canada) as Scion sold across their entire range combined (58k US, 3.9k Canada).

The brand is a money pit.

So what does that prove?  Nothing, really.

Let's do the same exercise with the Camry.  The Camry alone sold DOUBLE the entire Buick line.   Roughly triple Cadillac.  By your reasoning, I guess those are money pits?  Actually, the Camry sold more cars than the entire lineups of each of these manufacturers: Acura, Audi, Buick, BMW, Cadillac,  Chrysler, Infiniti, Lexus, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercedes Benz, Porsche and Volvo.

Surely this means the Camry is the greatest automobile ever made?

[Erik]

See below. Chevrolet sold well over twice as many Impalas (140k US, 3.4k Canada) as Scion sold across their entire range combined (58k US, 3.9k Canada).

The brand is a money pit.

So what does that prove?  Nothing, really.

Let's do the same exercise with the Camry.  The Camry alone sold DOUBLE the entire Buick line.   Roughly triple Cadillac.  By your reasoning, I guess those are money pits?  Actually, the Camry sold more cars than the entire lineups of each of these manufacturers: Acura, Audi, Buick, BMW, Cadillac,  Chrysler, Infiniti, Lexus, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercedes Benz, Porsche and Volvo.

Surely this means the Camry is the greatest automobile ever made?

And GM Sold more then twice as many pickups as Toyota sold Camrys. So I guess this means the GM pickup is even a better automobile. And the F-150 is the best of them all.

[rrocket]

See below. Chevrolet sold well over twice as many Impalas (140k US, 3.4k Canada) as Scion sold across their entire range combined (58k US, 3.9k Canada).

The brand is a money pit.

So what does that prove?  Nothing, really.

Let's do the same exercise with the Camry.  The Camry alone sold DOUBLE the entire Buick line.   Roughly triple Cadillac.  By your reasoning, I guess those are money pits?  Actually, the Camry sold more cars than the entire lineups of each of these manufacturers: Acura, Audi, Buick, BMW, Cadillac,  Chrysler, Infiniti, Lexus, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercedes Benz, Porsche and Volvo.

Surely this means the Camry is the greatest automobile ever made?

And GM Sold more then twice as many pickups as Toyota sold Camrys. So I guess this means the GM pickup is even a better automobile. And the F-150 is the best of them all.

Exactly!  Comparing apples to orange marmalade means nothing.

[Erik]

SirO, don't waste time feeding the Toyota fans.  They are too stubborn.  And love the simplicity of Toyota appliances.  Impala over Avalon any day of the week for me.  Malibu goes back and forth, some redesigns as good as Accord (especially 2008).  GM wouldn't risk changing names, when they sell over 200,000 Malibus.

Stubborn = stoopid?

[Erik]

See below. Chevrolet sold well over twice as many Impalas (140k US, 3.4k Canada) as Scion sold across their entire range combined (58k US, 3.9k Canada).

The brand is a money pit.

So what does that prove?  Nothing, really.

Let's do the same exercise with the Camry.  The Camry alone sold DOUBLE the entire Buick line.   Roughly triple Cadillac.  By your reasoning, I guess those are money pits?  Actually, the Camry sold more cars than the entire lineups of each of these manufacturers: Acura, Audi, Buick, BMW, Cadillac,  Chrysler, Infiniti, Lexus, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercedes Benz, Porsche and Volvo.

Surely this means the Camry is the greatest automobile ever made?

And GM Sold more then twice as many pickups as Toyota sold Camrys. So I guess this means the GM pickup is even a better automobile. And the F-150 is the best of them all.

Exactly!  Comparing apples to orange marmalade means nothing.

Explain that to your buddy AS.

[Erik]

These GM threads are always FANTASTIC.

Perhaps these TOADS at GM should stop living in the past and instead look forward  Consequently, why hang onto old name plates

The Malibu was always a horrible piece of junk, so why burden the newest one with the same loser name    Just seems senseless.

Speaking of SENSELESS; what company would launch a "brand new" vehicle with the same name as the old one which will still be production for years 

A company that has a clue about marketing? A company that recognizes just how hard it is to establish a new nameplate? Ask Scion marketing how well they're doing with that money pit.

For a lot of people, Malibu and Impala are well regarded. Certainly well recognized.

I wouldn't expect a Toyota fanboi to get it.

The Impala has been in the top ten or so of US sales for the last decade at least, hasn't it?

[rrocket]

These GM threads are always FANTASTIC.

Perhaps these TOADS at GM should stop living in the past and instead look forward  Consequently, why hang onto old name plates

The Malibu was always a horrible piece of junk, so why burden the newest one with the same loser name    Just seems senseless.

Speaking of SENSELESS; what company would launch a "brand new" vehicle with the same name as the old one which will still be production for years 

A company that has a clue about marketing? A company that recognizes just how hard it is to establish a new nameplate? Ask Scion marketing how well they're doing with that money pit.

For a lot of people, Malibu and Impala are well regarded. Certainly well recognized.

I wouldn't expect a Toyota fanboi to get it.

The Impala has been in the top ten or so of US sales for the last decade at least, hasn't it?

No.  Not even top 20.  Top 20 is about ~200,000 units per year (or so)...and that's what the Malibu did in its best year.

[Solstice2006]

^^ But it's a full size car.  How many full size cars are in the Top 20.  I doubt any...

[wing]

Impala review

[KD]

Impala review

 

[Sir Osis of Liver]

See below. Chevrolet sold well over twice as many Impalas (140k US, 3.4k Canada) as Scion sold across their entire range combined (58k US, 3.9k Canada).

The brand is a money pit.

So what does that prove?  Nothing, really.

Let's do the same exercise with the Camry.  The Camry alone sold DOUBLE the entire Buick line.   Roughly triple Cadillac.  By your reasoning, I guess those are money pits?  Actually, the Camry sold more cars than the entire lineups of each of these manufacturers: Acura, Audi, Buick, BMW, Cadillac,  Chrysler, Infiniti, Lexus, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercedes Benz, Porsche and Volvo.

Surely this means the Camry is the greatest automobile ever made?

Yeah, cheaper, mainstream cars sell better than expensive ones. Imagine my surprise.  But more on that later.

Stevie was wondering why they stuck with the names they did. I brought up Scion as an example of how hard it is to establish new nameplates.

Considering that the much cheaper Scion brand is selling at less than half the rate of a single, relatively expensive model in an unpopular segment, leads me to believe that if the Impala is in the toilet as Stevie claims, Scion is snorkelling somewhere in the depths of the septic tank.

[ArticSteve]

Trying to extrapolate Scion sales to Impala sales is well ..... 

GM will never separate their sales numbers for the two Impalas.  It's just that bad for the new one.  Losing money on everyone.

This is really all you need to know.


Toyota’s net income also led the industry for the quarter. Its profit was about 30 percent higher than Volkswagen’s 3.19 billion euros ($4.4 billion), and surpassed the combined earnings of General Motors, Ford Motor Co., Nissan Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Trying to extrapolate Scion sales to Impala sales is well ..... 

GM will never separate their sales numbers for the two Impalas.  It's just that bad for the new one.  Losing money on everyone.

This is really all you need to know.


Toyota’s net income also led the industry for the quarter. Its profit was about 30 percent higher than Volkswagen’s 3.19 billion euros ($4.4 billion), and surpassed the combined earnings of General Motors, Ford Motor Co., Nissan Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co

Toyota are going nowhere in China. The single largest, and fastest growing market on the planet. Meanwhile the Japanese domestic market is literally dying. It's a good thing they're sitting on a lot of cash, they're going to need it.

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/VW-looking-to-surpass-Toyota-for-No.-1-spot



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan

[Ex-airbalancer]

See below. Chevrolet sold well over twice as many Impalas (140k US, 3.4k Canada) as Scion sold across their entire range combined (58k US, 3.9k Canada).

The brand is a money pit.

So what does that prove?  Nothing, really.

Let's do the same exercise with the Camry.  The Camry alone sold DOUBLE the entire Buick line.   Roughly triple Cadillac.  By your reasoning, I guess those are money pits?  Actually, the Camry sold more cars than the entire lineups of each of these manufacturers: Acura, Audi, Buick, BMW, Cadillac,  Chrysler, Infiniti, Lexus, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercedes Benz, Porsche and Volvo.

Surely this means the Camry is the greatest automobile ever made?

And GM Sold more then twice as many pickups as Toyota sold Camrys. So I guess this means the GM pickup is even a better automobile. And the F-150 is the best of them all.

About time that someone figured that out 

[ArticSteve]

Can this thread run to 10 pages? 

[rrocket]

See below. Chevrolet sold well over twice as many Impalas (140k US, 3.4k Canada) as Scion sold across their entire range combined (58k US, 3.9k Canada).

The brand is a money pit.

So what does that prove?  Nothing, really.

Let's do the same exercise with the Camry.  The Camry alone sold DOUBLE the entire Buick line.   Roughly triple Cadillac.  By your reasoning, I guess those are money pits?  Actually, the Camry sold more cars than the entire lineups of each of these manufacturers: Acura, Audi, Buick, BMW, Cadillac,  Chrysler, Infiniti, Lexus, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercedes Benz, Porsche and Volvo.

Surely this means the Camry is the greatest automobile ever made?

And GM Sold more then twice as many pickups as Toyota sold Camrys. So I guess this means the GM pickup is even a better automobile. And the F-150 is the best of them all.

About time that someone figured that out 

But it's #2 to the F-150.  Knowing that, I don't think you should be so smug about having a 1st place loser.