Topic: Camaro 1LE Returns

[Fobroader]

Yea, but only one of these cars will be collectible.  And the interior in the Camaro is still awful.

Neither would be collectible if I owned it.  I'd drive it. Accumulate kms.  Probably far too many.

Thats where Im at...whats the point of having a dust collector?!?!?!

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[rrocket]

Yea, but only one of these cars will be collectible.  And the interior in the Camaro is still awful.

Neither would be collectible if I owned it.  I'd drive it. Accumulate kms.  Probably far too many.

Thats where Im at...whats the point of having a dust collector?!?!?!

A properly kept, driven car will still be collectible. 

Driving car as it was intended doesn't turn it into a piece of junk.

WTF is wrong with you guys?

Jon..your 930 with a bazillion KMs would still be worth HUUUGE money today.

[johngenx]

Maybe, maybe not.  Cars to me are not investments. They're depreciating assets that are either transportation or recreation or some combination of both.  I wouldn't pay the large premium for the Mustang on the hope that it would overcome the price disadvantage by someday becoming collectible.

[Fobroader]

I betcha a car with 150k km, normal wear and tear and rock chips will be worth peanuts

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[rrocket]

Interior of the new Camaro is in no way worse than that of the Stang.

Yes, the interior is worse.   

Plus they reduced the headroom from the previous gen.

[rrocket]

Maybe, maybe not.  Cars to me are not investments. They're depreciating assets that are either transportation or recreation or some combination of both.  I wouldn't pay the large premium for the Mustang on the hope that it would overcome the price disadvantage by someday becoming collectible.

Totally agree with John on this one.  I see myself as having two options: (1) buy it and drive it, or (2) don't buy it.  Obsessing about mileage, etc, became self-defeating for me in the past.

Who's obsessing about mileage?  Certainly not me.  I've owned a few collector cars that I drove and properly maintained them.  And sold them for surprisingly large coin considering the high mileage.

As I said before..there is no reason you can't drive and enjoy a car and keep it in near mint condition.

[rrocket]

I was only speaking from personal experience. The desire to keep cars mint has frustrated my ownership experience in the past. It's not worth it, or so I've resolved.

Oh.  I don't find it hard at all, personally.  1 decent, quick detail a week.  Done.

[quadzilla]

Oh.  I don't find it hard at all, personally.  1 decent, quick detail a week.  Done.

So I'm about 305 details behind then. Oh well.

[bone]

The satin black hood is kinda dumb but the rest of the package is rather tasty

I liked it on the previous 1LE and don't mind it at all on this version. I understand that it is a wrap and not paint.

[evil_twin]

Interior of the new Camaro is in no way worse than that of the Stang.

Yes, the interior is worse.   

Plus they reduced the headroom from the previous gen.

I would agree with rrocket that the Maro interior, though perhaps not any worse in quality than the Mustang, is definitely worse in style to my eyes:





Neither are great at all, but the Camaro still looks a little too much like something an 11 yr old boy would have sketched up for his dream car.

BUT, I wouldn't let that dissuade me from buying the Camaro over the Mustang as the SS sounds like a heck of machine otherwise.

[evil_twin]

Maybe, maybe not.  Cars to me are not investments. They're depreciating assets that are either transportation or recreation or some combination of both.  I wouldn't pay the large premium for the Mustang on the hope that it would overcome the price disadvantage by someday becoming collectible.

This logic never made sense to me.   Just because something is a depreciating asset does not mean it is not an investment.  It's not a GOOD investment obviously, but you can still mitigate your loss (improve your return) by taking good care of it.   It's up to the owner whether that improvement in return is worth the care.

It's really no different than a house.  Sure your home is likely to appreciate based purely on the value of land.  But the interior of the home (kitchen, bathes, etc) will naturally depreciate over time as they go further out of style and suffer wear and tear.   Taking good care of those depreciating portions will mitigate your loss on them if you were to sell without renovating.

Everything one buys is an investment.   A lot of them will have virtually no return in the end, but a car is rarely one of them.

[aquadorhj]

that camaro steering wheel....    urg.....  that's the ugliest steering wheel i've seen in at least 10 years.

[SaskSpecV]

Some pretty honest feedback from a GM engineer about the poor visibility in the Camaro, and why it didn't change...

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/02/why-is-the-chevrolet-camaro-so-hard-to-see-out-of-.html

I love the updates GM has made - more power, tidier dimensions, less weight, etc.  But the styling doesn't wow me enough to overlook that sort of egregious design flaw.

[Triple Bob]

Agreed!

Looks awesome. The big one for me is that it's the Camaro with proper seats!

This is the 'Maro for Vmango

I like it too, but you can actually fit kids in the back of the GT350, not so in the Camaro.

[Triple Bob]

Maybe, maybe not.  Cars to me are not investments. They're depreciating assets that are either transportation or recreation or some combination of both.  I wouldn't pay the large premium for the Mustang on the hope that it would overcome the price disadvantage by someday becoming collectible.

Totally agree with John on this one.  I see myself as having two options: (1) buy it and drive it, or (2) don't buy it.  Obsessing about mileage, etc, became self-defeating for me in the past.

Who's obsessing about mileage?  Certainly not me.  I've owned a few collector cars that I drove and properly maintained them.  And sold them for surprisingly large coin considering the high mileage.

As I said before..there is no reason you can't drive and enjoy a car and keep it in near mint condition.

Every North American that buys a special edition suddenly thinks their car is collectible, it's not.  It's just a few hundreds dollars more expensive than the other used ones.  I couldn't care less if it was only 1 of 63 ordered in that particular colour, that's because you've got bad taste.  And the fact that it has some stickers on saying Indy Pace Car just makes it look more ridiculous.  Great you have the window sticker, it's not really important in life is it...

[Triple Bob]

Evil Twin,

While I agree with your assessment (you're more accurate than Rocket), you didn't choose equivalent pictures. a) you chose more flattering pictures of the Mustang, and b) you used pictures of the GT350 Mustang not the GT with which the SS competes. These pictures also weren't of the interior of the 1LE and there are important changes that improve the interior in my mind.

But you're right 

But also, it wouldn't sway me from my decision of taking the SS over the GT and mine would be the 1LE. 

But hey, as I've always said. You can't go wrong with either the Mustang or the Camaro IMO. Sweet machines.

I really like the new Camaro, both in and out.  The interior is a huge improvement on the old one.  So I took quite a bit of time at the autoshow to try it out.  Where I would sit meant no legroom behind, so that ruled it out for me.  Otherwise it's an amazing car.