Topic: 2014 Rav4, CR-V or Escape

[pi314]

I'm not so into buying leftovers...you're basically saying "depreciation?  Who gives a f*ck."

You easily pay for the difference 'saved' at the end of the day.  Harpster, how much did you get for your wife's Elantra after it was rear-ended?  I'm guessing far less than you paid for it initially...I hope she's never in another accident again, but buying a leftover model is a bad idea for that reason and several others.

He's financing as long as possible... the depreciation is small over that time period

Eg: My 2013 Focus was $4250 cheaper than a 2014... that's ~ 20% the cost of the car... the only difference is the 2014 has a larger fuel tank

[EV-Light]

I'm not so into buying leftovers...you're basically saying "depreciation?  Who gives a f*ck."

You easily pay for the difference 'saved' at the end of the day.  Harpster, how much did you get for your wife's Elantra after it was rear-ended?  I'm guessing far less than you paid for it initially...I hope she's never in another accident again, but buying a leftover model is a bad idea for that reason and several others.

LOL if you get a discount that is good enough to cover depreciation and low financing rates why not?
you are actually buying a new car and saving tons - I did exactly that when I bought my SHO and got a $14K discount over the 2014 model! and you know what? my vehicle is worth more now used than what I paid for 1 1/2 ago + .99% for financing 

remember buying domestic vs import is a little different...

[Ex-airbalancer]

I'm not so into buying leftovers...you're basically saying "depreciation?  Who gives a f*ck."

You easily pay for the difference 'saved' at the end of the day.  Harpster, how much did you get for your wife's Elantra after it was rear-ended?  I'm guessing far less than you paid for it initially...I hope she's never in another accident again, but buying a leftover model is a bad idea for that reason and several others.

He's financing as long as possible... the depreciation is small over that time period

Eg: My 2013 Focus was $4250 cheaper than a 2014... that's ~ 20% the cost of the car... the only difference is the 2014 has a larger fuel tank

That NOTO is on crack or something , or maybe he been hanging with his boss where go big or go home 

[EV-Light]

I'm not so into buying leftovers...you're basically saying "depreciation?  Who gives a f*ck."

You easily pay for the difference 'saved' at the end of the day.  Harpster, how much did you get for your wife's Elantra after it was rear-ended?  I'm guessing far less than you paid for it initially...I hope she's never in another accident again, but buying a leftover model is a bad idea for that reason and several others.

He's financing as long as possible... the depreciation is small over that time period

Eg: My 2013 Focus was $4250 cheaper than a 2014... that's ~ 20% the cost of the car... the only difference is the 2014 has a larger fuel tank

That NOTO is on crack or something , or maybe he been hanging with his boss where go big or go home 

      

[Noto]

remember buying domestic vs import is a little different...

Apparently I've never experienced such a savings.  The only time I considered buying that way was a 2009 Jetta TDI Trendline.  They offered $2,500 off and wouldn't budge any further.  Price, plus the lack of a centre armrest, had us walk right into the Toyota dealership.

[Harpster]

I'm not so into buying leftovers...you're basically saying "depreciation?  Who gives a f*ck."

You easily pay for the difference 'saved' at the end of the day.  Harpster, how much did you get for your wife's Elantra after it was rear-ended?  I'm guessing far less than you paid for it initially...I hope she's never in another accident again, but buying a leftover model is a bad idea for that reason and several others.

We got enough to cover the auto loan, around 14k


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[tooscoops]

the real savings year over year is usually about 1-3 grand. anyone who says otherwise is either in a very odd position (buying the last car of a defunct company/model) or is being sold a bill of goods.

for example, just sold a 2014 truck... he got about 13k off...  for me to make the same profit on a 2015 same truck, he would have got 11500 off. all he will see is "i saved 14 grand buying last years model!!" he really only saved the difference in incentive. sometimes it equates to more than the lost value in one year, sometimes not.

but it is never this astounding deal that buyers assure themselves they got. well, i shouldn't say never... extremely rarely.

[johngenx]

I know someone that just bought a $43K Mustang GT 2014 model for $31K. He really likes the 14 vs the 15 and got the car he wanted for far less than a 2015 would have run.

Buy the car you want and if you're comfortable with the price, then everyone came out ahead.


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[Harpster]

the real savings year over year is usually about 1-3 grand. anyone who says otherwise is either in a very odd position (buying the last car of a defunct company/model) or is being sold a bill of goods.

for example, just sold a 2014 truck... he got about 13k off...  for me to make the same profit on a 2015 same truck, he would have got 11500 off. all he will see is "i saved 14 grand buying last years model!!" he really only saved the difference in incentive. sometimes it equates to more than the lost value in one year, sometimes not.

but it is never this astounding deal that buyers assure themselves they got. well, i shouldn't say never... extremely rarely.

Whoa!  13k off?!  I'm coming to you for a Cherokee lol!

In all honesty though, the prices I see in the car makers sites are usually not their final prices correct?  I also want them to throw U winter tires in the deal also.




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[tooscoops]

all depends what you are talking about.. trucks are heavily incentivized.. these types of cuv's, nope.

if you wanted an in stock cherokee and asked for nothing off the MSRP but wanted a set of winter tires on rims?... nope. not enough room to discount. close, so maybe if we really needed another new car sale or we cheap out and get you crap tires.

right now, the price difference between a "leftover" 2014 cherokee and a new 2015 is maybe 500... to me, not worth it at all... sure a dealer could choose to lose money and make it a bit more worthwhile (and yes, i mean actually lose... not just appear to lose)... but i don't think there is much reason to get a year old cherokee at this point.

sorry i can't get you 13 grand off a cherokee! you would be looking more in the area of a grand.

[EV-Light]

the real savings year over year is usually about 1-3 grand. anyone who says otherwise is either in a very odd position (buying the last car of a defunct company/model) or is being sold a bill of goods.

for example, just sold a 2014 truck... he got about 13k off...  for me to make the same profit on a 2015 same truck, he would have got 11500 off. all he will see is "i saved 14 grand buying last years model!!" he really only saved the difference in incentive. sometimes it equates to more than the lost value in one year, sometimes not.

but it is never this astounding deal that buyers assure themselves they got. well, i shouldn't say never... extremely rarely.

Whoa!  13k off?!  I'm coming to you for a Cherokee lol!

In all honesty though, the prices I see in the car makers sites are usually not their final prices correct?  I also want them to throw U winter tires in the deal also.

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You are correct Harpster...the website usually is good starting point to start negotiating the price down and also be aware of any incentives (0% financing, cash, etc) that might be available.
After you've made your decision and get face-to-face, play tough and you will likely get a good discount - bigger if you go with Ford/GM/Chrysler, smaller if you go with J3.

And like I said, there are plenty of 2014 leftovers...some examples:

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Ford/Escape/Brampton/Ontario/5_21473199_ON20070924101359260/?ursrc=hl&showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=13_15_29
http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Jeep/Cherokee/Mississauga/Ontario/5_22078480_ON20070730114242570/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=1_15_10
http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Toyota/RAV4/Toronto/Ontario/5_20900274_ON20071203110425241/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=4_15_10

[tooscoops]

forgot about that part of the question!

the website prices (if you entered everything correctly) will show all incentives applicable in your area. it will not include discounts which are a dealer thing or dealer added fees(admins, etc). depending on the brand and model, you could be looking at a few hundred off that price, more than that price or a couple grand less (based on the kind of vehicles you are looking at)

[blotter]

and beware of "fake" ads.


I've seen ads listing trims and options which wasn't the vehicle in the photo.
while it might help a bit with your research, always call the dealer before making a trip to it!
you don't want to end up showing up somewhere looking for a car that they never had.

[tooscoops]

it's more, read EVERY word on the ad... and try to read it as if it was trying to be as misleading as possible. it might be fine, but better to try and read between every line so you don't get a big surprise. and yeah, the pictures are usually a higher trim level than the price... they'll usually have a disclaimer either saying not as shown, or "___ model shown, starting price ________"

[Noto]

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Ford/Escape/Brampton/Ontario/5_21473199_ON20070924101359260/?ursrc=hl&showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=13_15_29
http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Jeep/Cherokee/Mississauga/Ontario/5_22078480_ON20070730114242570/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=1_15_10
http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Toyota/RAV4/Toronto/Ontario/5_20900274_ON20071203110425241/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=4_15_10

Of those, only the Rav4 is AWD.  If you were to buy those, you'd be getting bent over a table and raped as far as resale is concerned.  Enjoy.

[tooscoops]

yeah.. and some customer will think they are getting a steal! i only know the cherokee numbers, but i'll sell you a brand new 2015 limited fwd v6 with leather and nav (think that's all i see extra on that one) for 33500....

so a year newer... no kms... choice of colour/options... warranty hasn't started... 0% available...1600 more.

i know what i'd choose.

[Noto]

yeah.. and some customer will think they are getting a steal! i only know the cherokee numbers, but i'll sell you a brand new 2015 limited fwd v6 with leather and nav (think that's all i see extra on that one) for 33500....

so a year newer... no kms... choice of colour/options... warranty hasn't started... 0% available...1600 more.

i know what i'd choose.

...one with AWD

[Fobroader]

yeah.. and some customer will think they are getting a steal! i only know the cherokee numbers, but i'll sell you a brand new 2015 limited fwd v6 with leather and nav (think that's all i see extra on that one) for 33500....

so a year newer... no kms... choice of colour/options... warranty hasn't started... 0% available...1600 more.

i know what i'd choose.

...one with AWD

Yeah....that one!!

[johngenx]

Dealers seem to frequently ask new prices for used cars.  Do people really pay the same for a used as new?  I haven't, and won't.  Duh.

[Noto]

Dealers seem to frequently ask new prices for used cars.  Do people really pay the same for a used as new?  I haven't, and won't.  Duh.

When my brother bought his 2014 Crosstrek, there was a 2013 Deep Cherry Pearl Crosstrek touring demo (~8,000km on the clock) in the showroom.  It looked and smelled brand new with nary a scratch to the exterior.

The 'discount' for the 8,000km demonstrative term and its associated depreciation was $1,500.  I asked how much further he would discount it, and he said "that's it. no further dealer discount."  I mean, the guy was probably an idiot, but my brother was 'ok' with taking it off his hands for a bit of a discount, and he wasn't willing to budge.  In the end, the price difference was only about $700 for 8,000km and a year of depreciation.  Insane.