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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2014, 09:12:38 am »
Awesome!  Nice score.  Looks in great shape



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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2014, 09:19:48 am »
Great story and very nice car. Congrats!!

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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2014, 10:42:36 am »
Congratulations! Terrific car. Enjoy yourself! :skid: :thumbup:
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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2014, 03:19:52 pm »
always great to be able to turn back the clock in a way... we don't get many do overs, so enjoy it!

congrats and drive safe... and fast.
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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2014, 03:59:04 pm »
Woohoo, you scored!!! You found one in terrific condition for a great price - that's getting harder and harder, especially for NA's.

Thanks for the pics too. It never gets old looking at a well maintained NA... ;D

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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2014, 04:21:22 pm »
What's a decent price for one of these?

there's a 1990 with 79000kms in Brandon for $6900.  Looks to be in fairly decent shape.

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Mazda/Miata+MX-5/Brandon/Manitoba/5_20772861_CT2004114151348523/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=7_15_7

I've always like these little cars.  Maybe one day one of these little things will find a home on my driveway.

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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2014, 05:03:32 pm »
Most excellent. Roadsters rule.

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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2014, 06:07:49 pm »
What's a decent price for one of these?

There's not enough of them sold to get a good handle on price for year/etc, but there are some "ranges" that work depending on where you are.  A never-winter-driven all original NA regardless of year with decent kms (say 160K or less) that has been very well cared for is going to run at least $5K, probably more.  I paid $6K for mine in the spring of 2012 but have been offered well over that (in the $8-9K range) several times since.

My personal pecking order of Miatas:

1. The 1994-1997 1.8L NA models.  I really like the 1.8L engine vs the 1.6L.  A small power bump (116 to 128) but the heavier flywheel makes the difference to me - I like the lack of rev drop as it makes relaxed driving more relaxed but the engine still ships to 6K+ easily.  The 1994s also received the larger brakes from the Spec Miata cars, the LSD became a Torsen replacing the easily worn-out Mazda unit, and the bodies received additional bracing. These cars have the excellent Mazda five speed which I personally prefer to the Aisin six speed of the NB cars.  As NA models go, the NA8 (meaning NA with 1.8L) tend to be a bit higher priced as they're newer and have some "upgrades" that many people find desirable.  Many of the NA8s are also shod with Mazda's amazing hollow spoke alloy wheels - amazing wheel considering it's OE.

2. The 1991-1993 1.6L models.  They have the rev-happy 1.6L, the same body as the all other NAs, but the 91-93 1.6L engines are not the Short Nose Crank engines of the 1990 models.  While the SNC failure is overblown (many 90s out there with 500K on them) I would just prefer to go for a 91 or later just for my personal peace of mind.

3. 1990.  They're the first year, and some folks love that their car is Year One.  They sold like crazy that year, so your odds of finding a 1990 are good.  But, they're old, and therefore lots of them are pretty used up too.  Be aware of caring or the SNC engine, but otherwise, they're great cars.

4. NB models - they drive very nicely.  Mazda added some rear suspension travel - the NA and NB chassis are nearly identical but changed the body to add some trunk space, lose the pop-ups, and modernize the interior.  Later the 2.0L came long and power went up to 140hp.  They also added an available six speed - but there's two sides to this - the extra cog is fun (it's not any taller gearing than the five speed) but some feel (me included) that the shift action is not as nice as the five speed.  Changing the oil in the Aisin to the Motorcraft Synthetic cures many ills, something all NB six speed owners should do immediately. Personally, I like the driving experience of the NB and I strongly considered a very nice 2002 model I found, but in the end the even-more-diminutive looks and the pop-ups of the NA swayed me.  Oh, and that I found a like-new 18yr old car helped too.

Pricing is as I noted all over.  A basic rule of thumb is that any really nice Miata will be a $5K car, and some NA might get close to $10K but that's very high.  NBs can go under $10K, maybe as low as $6-7K for a decent car, but a pristine example is probably closer to $10K.  That's assuming low kms, no winters, etc, etc.

Wait, an NC (2006-) can be had for not much more than a top-market NA?  Maybe.  But, remember, logic is slowly eroding in the Miata market.  The NA models are having a resurgence in popularity at the same time as supply of perfect cars is fading away.

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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2014, 06:58:50 pm »
What's a decent price for one of these?

There's not enough of them sold to get a good handle on price for year/etc, but there are some "ranges" that work depending on where you are.  A never-winter-driven all original NA regardless of year with decent kms (say 160K or less) that has been very well cared for is going to run at least $5K, probably more.  I paid $6K for mine in the spring of 2012 but have been offered well over that (in the $8-9K range) several times since.

My personal pecking order of Miatas:

1. The 1994-1997 1.8L NA models.  I really like the 1.8L engine vs the 1.6L.  A small power bump (116 to 128) but the heavier flywheel makes the difference to me - I like the lack of rev drop as it makes relaxed driving more relaxed but the engine still ships to 6K+ easily.  The 1994s also received the larger brakes from the Spec Miata cars, the LSD became a Torsen replacing the easily worn-out Mazda unit, and the bodies received additional bracing. These cars have the excellent Mazda five speed which I personally prefer to the Aisin six speed of the NB cars.  As NA models go, the NA8 (meaning NA with 1.8L) tend to be a bit higher priced as they're newer and have some "upgrades" that many people find desirable.  Many of the NA8s are also shod with Mazda's amazing hollow spoke alloy wheels - amazing wheel considering it's OE.

2. The 1991-1993 1.6L models.  They have the rev-happy 1.6L, the same body as the all other NAs, but the 91-93 1.6L engines are not the Short Nose Crank engines of the 1990 models.  While the SNC failure is overblown (many 90s out there with 500K on them) I would just prefer to go for a 91 or later just for my personal peace of mind.

3. 1990.  They're the first year, and some folks love that their car is Year One.  They sold like crazy that year, so your odds of finding a 1990 are good.  But, they're old, and therefore lots of them are pretty used up too.  Be aware of caring or the SNC engine, but otherwise, they're great cars.

4. NB models - they drive very nicely.  Mazda added some rear suspension travel - the NA and NB chassis are nearly identical but changed the body to add some trunk space, lose the pop-ups, and modernize the interior.  Later the 2.0L came long and power went up to 140hp.  They also added an available six speed - but there's two sides to this - the extra cog is fun (it's not any taller gearing than the five speed) but some feel (me included) that the shift action is not as nice as the five speed.  Changing the oil in the Aisin to the Motorcraft Synthetic cures many ills, something all NB six speed owners should do immediately. Personally, I like the driving experience of the NB and I strongly considered a very nice 2002 model I found, but in the end the even-more-diminutive looks and the pop-ups of the NA swayed me.  Oh, and that I found a like-new 18yr old car helped too.

Pricing is as I noted all over.  A basic rule of thumb is that any really nice Miata will be a $5K car, and some NA might get close to $10K but that's very high.  NBs can go under $10K, maybe as low as $6-7K for a decent car, but a pristine example is probably closer to $10K.  That's assuming low kms, no winters, etc, etc.

Wait, an NC (2006-) can be had for not much more than a top-market NA?  Maybe.  But, remember, logic is slowly eroding in the Miata market.  The NA models are having a resurgence in popularity at the same time as supply of perfect cars is fading away.


John  the NB's never had 2 liter engines They did make 140 hp NB1 or NB2 142hp and were 1.8 liters in displacement. I believe the biggest difference between the 1.8 NA and the NB was the more advanced  cylinder heads with variable valve timing.

5 wheel  nice NA ;D
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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2014, 06:59:40 pm »
Oops, you're right - my goof.

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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2014, 07:03:27 pm »
congrats, very nice :thumbup:

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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2014, 07:12:23 pm »
 :thumbup: Awesome find 5wd and nice story!  Enjoy... :skid:

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Re: Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2014, 08:31:23 pm »
Oops, you're right - my goof.
As I recall most NBs had a 5 speed manual.  Only the Mazdaspeed, some later year higher trims and the 10th anniversary editions had a 6 speed.
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Re: Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2014, 08:34:44 pm »
Oops, you're right - my goof.
Yes and as I recall NBs had a 5 speed manual.  Only the Mazdaspeed version had a 6 speed.

No, I looked at a few NB non-Speeds with the 6-cogger.

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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2014, 08:42:56 pm »
Congrats on the reunion...seems like owning a Miata is a right of passage for car enthusiasts.
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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2014, 08:57:13 pm »
Thanks everyone!  As you can imagine, I was pretty excited to find a completely original NA.  They are getting harder to find.  Gotta agree with Johngenx, the later NA's with the 1.8l have always been my favorite.

I was looking for something with less than 150,000km's.  My first one had almost 200k on it when I sold it, so as long as it was looked after, a bit of mileage didn't bother me.  I knew what I was getting into.  I found lots of early NB's('99-'00) in the $6-$7k range, and even some after the '01 update for not much more.  I found some lower mileage NA's, some people wanted crazy money for them.  I found some with asking prices over $10k.

I don't mind telling you that I think I scored by getting this one for $6k.  I tried to negotiate on the price, but he wouldn't budge.  He said if he didn't sell it now, he would store it himself and sell it in the Spring for $7k.  The previous owner had an appraisal done just this past May, it was valued at $8500.
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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2014, 10:08:36 pm »

I don't mind telling you that I think I scored by getting this one for $6k.

That's a very good price!  I would have jumped on that too.

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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2014, 08:24:52 am »
Nah, I don't have the money to spend on one right now.  Maybe in a year. 

The reliability of these cars seems to be fantastic.  And, what does break, I'm assuming there are plenty of parts around, and being that most the NA"s are from the 90's, they're probably pretty simple to wrench on at home, too.

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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2014, 01:51:33 pm »
Nice find. Looks very clean.
Congrats!
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Re: The Desire To Own Another One Was Too Great...
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2014, 05:50:03 pm »
Thanks everyone!  As you can imagine, I was pretty excited to find a completely original NA.  They are getting harder to find.  Gotta agree with Johngenx, the later NA's with the 1.8l have always been my favorite.

I was looking for something with less than 150,000km's.  My first one had almost 200k on it when I sold it, so as long as it was looked after, a bit of mileage didn't bother me.  I knew what I was getting into.  I found lots of early NB's('99-'00) in the $6-$7k range, and even some after the '01 update for not much more.  I found some lower mileage NA's, some people wanted crazy money for them.  I found some with asking prices over $10k.

I don't mind telling you that I think I scored by getting this one for $6k.  I tried to negotiate on the price, but he wouldn't budge.  He said if he didn't sell it now, he would store it himself and sell it in the Spring for $7k.  The previous owner had an appraisal done just this past May, it was valued at $8500.

Great score! I am so jealous.  Awesome to be get a car you like for a very reasonable price.  If I could get a 3rd car it would be a 2001-2003 Miata.  But since I want more as a 2nd car, to use in the winter.  The NC with the power hard top, meets my needs better.  So I will have to wait..