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State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« on: September 03, 2014, 04:16:22 pm »


New Tesla Superchargers in Toronto, Cornwall, ON and Squamish, BC ease long distance drives, before launching Model X SUV to market next year

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2014, 07:31:11 am »
I look forward to a reasonably high density of coin (or plastic) operated charging stations.   This will be a reality in maybe 4 years.  Pull up, plug in and wait 20 minutes while your toonie covers a 10kW charge.  Cheaper than parking downtown in a Canadian city.

The charging station operator makes money and the user saves money.  A charging station could go everywhere they can put an ATM.

This is definitely the future and it appears to be unfolding fairly rapidly.

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2014, 12:39:26 pm »
I look forward to a reasonably high density of coin (or plastic) operated charging stations.   This will be a reality in maybe 4 years.  Pull up, plug in and wait 20 minutes while your toonie covers a 10kW charge.  Cheaper than parking downtown in a Canadian city.

The charging station operator makes money and the user saves money.  A charging station could go everywhere they can put an ATM.

This is definitely the future and it appears to be unfolding fairly rapidly.

Cheers,
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The City of Montreal installed its first public, curbside charging stations in the downtown core. On top of the 2.50$ Hydro-Quebec charge fee, you need to feed the parking meters at the same rate as with any other spot (3$ / hr). Modern life ain't free!
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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2014, 12:55:26 pm »
The City of Montreal installed its first public, curbside charging stations in the downtown core. On top of the 2.50$ Hydro-Quebec charge fee, you need to feed the parking meters at the same rate as with any other spot (3$ / hr). Modern life ain't free!
While 'fair', objectively, that's kinda bullsh!t right there...on the one hand, you want to promote clean driving...on the other, you f^ck early adopters with a double hit.

As far as the competition goes, they can go to hell.  Volvo with its false nomenclature (Twin-Engine my as$) and $15,000+ premium for the Canadian market over the USDM because 'others are doing it, too, so who cares' - seriously?!  And Porsche with 18-36km?  Potentially great vehicles, but not "competitors" in the true sense.
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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2014, 01:20:39 pm »
The City of Montreal installed its first public, curbside charging stations in the downtown core. On top of the 2.50$ Hydro-Quebec charge fee, you need to feed the parking meters at the same rate as with any other spot (3$ / hr). Modern life ain't free!
While 'fair', objectively, that's kinda bullsh!t right there...on the one hand, you want to promote clean driving...on the other, you f^ck early adopters with a double hit.

As far as the competition goes, they can go to hell.  Volvo with its false nomenclature (Twin-Engine my as$) and $15,000+ premium for the Canadian market over the USDM because 'others are doing it, too, so who cares' - seriously?!  And Porsche with 18-36km?  Potentially great vehicles, but not "competitors" in the true sense.

I agree with everything you said here.  These are definitely not competitors to the Model X at all.

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2014, 09:35:14 pm »
I look forward to a reasonably high density of coin (or plastic) operated charging stations.   This will be a reality in maybe 4 years.  Pull up, plug in and wait 20 minutes while your toonie covers a 10kW charge.  Cheaper than parking downtown in a Canadian city.

The charging station operator makes money and the user saves money.  A charging station could go everywhere they can put an ATM.

This is definitely the future and it appears to be unfolding fairly rapidly.

Cheers,
John M.

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2014, 10:24:42 pm »
"While 'fair', objectively, that's kinda bullsh!t right there...on the one hand, you want to promote clean driving...on the other, you f^ck early adopters with a double hit."

$6 for a couple of hundred km isn't exactly peeling the skin off your back.  Maybe we will be seeing all kinds of Park 'n Charge lots all over the place in 5 years. 

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2014, 10:09:43 pm »
The general approach to putting Superchargers in-between big cities makes a lot of sense for a car that goes 300+km on a full charge.

One interesting thing, there is a Supercharger (8 bays!) just south of the 401 right off the DVP.
A Tesla owner in the Toronto area would be able to recharge in 30 minutes for free and run most of a week...

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2014, 10:43:18 pm »
My office parkade has two "free" electric car charging stations -- included in the $10/day parking fee.

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2014, 11:20:06 pm »
The general approach to putting Superchargers in-between big cities makes a lot of sense for a car that goes 300+km on a full charge.

One interesting thing, there is a Supercharger (8 bays!) just south of the 401 right off the DVP.
A Tesla owner in the Toronto area would be able to recharge in 30 minutes for free and run most of a week...

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2014, 08:43:59 pm »
The 8 bays at 120kW per bay is almost 1MW of total juice, now that's a charging location!!

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2014, 10:27:30 pm »
I gotta pass by and hug one of those things, like it were a tree  :P
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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2014, 09:14:10 am »
assuming you live close to one of these (or are passing by it on a long route), it's fantastic!!

...but take my boss, for example, who is still considering a Model S until the MB S-Class cabrio comes out.  He doesn't care that the car will depreciate and he'll lose huge on it.  Money is not an object to him.  He likes the Model S, but even 30 mins is too long for his snobbery.  He would much sooner pay for his own charging station at home than drive to a parking lot for 30+mins.  IF, however, they put in an owner's lounge, with free wifi (so you can work there, for example) or for-fee niceties (like in any AMEX lounge), his snobby as$ would happily go and get a free charge.

...having the 'free' electricity helps those who are trying to make a sound economical investment in transportation.  Selling $80k+ cars with the ability to get free transportation ignores that those with this kind of money won't sit for 30 mins+ while their cars charge.

Superchargers are best for opening up the ability for long-distance trips, but certain planning could get them to be used and profitable by the rich.

With that being said, when the 'budget' Teslas come out, having these supercharging stations will be brilliant for regular users - but 8 bays won't be sufficient.  Hopefully there is room for expansion.

If the above sounds negative, I don't mean for it to - it's constructive criticism and I applaud every effort made to bring BEV back to the market.

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2014, 09:57:17 am »
A guy from Moncton owns a gas station just outside of Fredericton and has a Model S. He installed charger in the parking lot and I see his car there a couple times a week.

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2014, 10:27:02 am »
assuming you live close to one of these (or are passing by it on a long route), it's fantastic!!

...but take my boss, for example, who is still considering a Model S until the MB S-Class cabrio comes out.  He doesn't care that the car will depreciate and he'll lose huge on it.  Money is not an object to him.  He likes the Model S, but even 30 mins is too long for his snobbery.  He would much sooner pay for his own charging station at home than drive to a parking lot for 30+mins.  IF, however, they put in an owner's lounge, with free wifi (so you can work there, for example) or for-fee niceties (like in any AMEX lounge), his snobby as$ would happily go and get a free charge.

...having the 'free' electricity helps those who are trying to make a sound economical investment in transportation.  Selling $80k+ cars with the ability to get free transportation ignores that those with this kind of money won't sit for 30 mins+ while their cars charge.

Superchargers are best for opening up the ability for long-distance trips, but certain planning could get them to be used and profitable by the rich.

With that being said, when the 'budget' Teslas come out, having these supercharging stations will be brilliant for regular users - but 8 bays won't be sufficient.  Hopefully there is room for expansion.

If the above sounds negative, I don't mean for it to - it's constructive criticism and I applaud every effort made to bring BEV back to the market.

I think 0 charge for a charge decision had been made to simplify the charger station design. The drawback of course is there are plenty of wealthy but cheap people who I won't mind wasting 20 min a day if the charge is free, while talking on the phone, browsing internet, etc.
To those who'd like to drive green but have nowhere to charge the car superchargers are a solution, if installed en route.

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2014, 11:44:48 am »
assuming you live close to one of these (or are passing by it on a long route), it's fantastic!!

...but take my boss, for example, who is still considering a Model S until the MB S-Class cabrio comes out.  He doesn't care that the car will depreciate and he'll lose huge on it.  Money is not an object to him.  He likes the Model S, but even 30 mins is too long for his snobbery.  He would much sooner pay for his own charging station at home than drive to a parking lot for 30+mins.  IF, however, they put in an owner's lounge, with free wifi (so you can work there, for example) or for-fee niceties (like in any AMEX lounge), his snobby as$ would happily go and get a free charge.

...having the 'free' electricity helps those who are trying to make a sound economical investment in transportation.  Selling $80k+ cars with the ability to get free transportation ignores that those with this kind of money won't sit for 30 mins+ while their cars charge.

Superchargers are best for opening up the ability for long-distance trips, but certain planning could get them to be used and profitable by the rich.

With that being said, when the 'budget' Teslas come out, having these supercharging stations will be brilliant for regular users - but 8 bays won't be sufficient.  Hopefully there is room for expansion.

If the above sounds negative, I don't mean for it to - it's constructive criticism and I applaud every effort made to bring BEV back to the market.

Of course it sounds negative...and disparaging towards your boss. BTW, how many billable hours do have this month?  ;)

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2014, 12:42:27 pm »
Of course it sounds negative...and disparaging towards your boss. BTW, how many billable hours do have this month?  ;)
Depends...can I count autos.ca time as billable?  ;D

Last month I had 168 billable hours.  On target for 2,000/year.

My bosses are a bit snobby with their money.  It's not disparaging when it's true ;)

Re: the Tesla, I love it.  I want to see these stations built so that we really can get anywhere/everywhere without any gas.  I'm simply concerned that the stations won't be updated as the number of Teslas on the road increase.  I can imagine waiting >1 hr for a spot TO charge my model S, then waiting 30 mins to get me to 80% (which may or may not be enough to get me to the next station depending on traffic, temperature, etc).

Assuming that it's relatively easy to add spaces and chargers as demand increases, I am absolutely for these charging stations!

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Re: State of Charge: Tesla Superchargers and Model X plans
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2014, 07:06:21 pm »
  concerned that the stations won't be updated as the number of Teslas on the road increase.  I can imagine waiting >1 hr for a spot TO charge my model S, then waiting 30 mins to get me to 80% (which may or may not be enough to get me to the next station depending on traffic, temperature, etc).
Assuming that it's relatively easy to add spaces and chargers as demand increases, I am absolutely for these charging stations!

Tesla monitors usage and adapts the number of charging bays to accommodate expansion as required.

See:

http://www.teslamotors.com/en_CA/forum/forums/concerns-about-supercharging-lines

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I've occasionally had to wait. The worst case was an hour at Harris ranch when they had only one stall! Tesla monitors supercharger usage and has been very proactive in adding stalls to existing locations as demand warrants. For example, Harris Ranch now has 7 stalls. Gilroy went from four to 12 stalls. It rarely gets talked about, but location expansions are also going on all the time.