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Re: The money thread
« Reply #660 on: July 23, 2014, 02:35:47 pm »
The markets just do not want to go down...yet.  :)

true.   they've been calling for a correction for months.
however, for most people, by the time they decide to pull out it'll be too late.



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I'm in the 10 years or less range so I do not want to ride out a correction. 2008 cost me 12%...fek dat.
speak to your advisor, I think you have one right?
being you're retiring in 10 years, I'd say you'd want to pull out funds representing the first 5 years of retirement.  Depending on what you have in the markets and what parts of your portfolio you plan to live off first.   Ten years (historically) looks to be the largest time it took for funds to recover back to pre-loss numbers.   The balance you keep in will have time to recover.  That, or look at lowering the risk of some of your portfolio.   
Much of the guidance / recommendations has to go with knowing if you’re on track (which I believe you once posted you are)   Question is, are you know track only by keeping up with the current risk / returns?   Some people want / need the risk to meet their objectives. Some people don’t realize but sometimes they’re in a higher risk than they require since their plan is tracking them above target!

Looking at my morningstar andex chart, it looks like the biggest recovery was 1969 through 1977
If you bought funds in 1969 - the stocks crashed in 1970........ People who invested in 1969 didn't even get back to break even until 1977.    The most recent example is actually late 2006, which was a peak, if you invested all your money at that time, you didn't get back to break even until mid 2013.  that's 7 years.




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Re: The money thread
« Reply #661 on: July 23, 2014, 02:57:47 pm »
The markets just do not want to go down...yet.  :)

true.   they've been calling for a correction for months.
however, for most people, by the time they decide to pull out it'll be too late.



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I'm in the 10 years or less range so I do not want to ride out a correction. 2008 cost me 12%...fek dat.
speak to your advisor, I think you have one right?
being you're retiring in 10 years, I'd say you'd want to pull out funds representing the first 5 years of retirement.  Depending on what you have in the markets and what parts of your portfolio you plan to live off first.   Ten years (historically) looks to be the largest time it took for funds to recover back to pre-loss numbers.   The balance you keep in will have time to recover.  That, or look at lowering the risk of some of your portfolio.   
Much of the guidance / recommendations has to go with knowing if you’re on track (which I believe you once posted you are)   Question is, are you know track only by keeping up with the current risk / returns?   Some people want / need the risk to meet their objectives. Some people don’t realize but sometimes they’re in a higher risk than they require since their plan is tracking them above target!

Looking at my morningstar andex chart, it looks like the biggest recovery was 1969 through 1977
If you bought funds in 1969 - the stocks crashed in 1970........ People who invested in 1969 didn't even get back to break even until 1977.    The most recent example is actually late 2006, which was a peak, if you invested all your money at that time, you didn't get back to break even until mid 2013.  that's 7 years.




We have moved into a conservative position as at last week and right now I only plan for a 6% return vs. the 16% we got last year with a balanced approach. I was in mostly risky funds from 2009 to 2012 to make up for 2008 darkness. I just want to make it to the finish line in 2022 without a surprise.

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #662 on: July 23, 2014, 03:30:10 pm »
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Re: The money thread
« Reply #663 on: July 23, 2014, 03:31:52 pm »
The markets just do not want to go down...yet.  :)

true.   they've been calling for a correction for months.
however, for most people, by the time they decide to pull out it'll be too late.



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I'm in the 10 years or less range so I do not want to ride out a correction. 2008 cost me 12%...fek dat.
speak to your advisor, I think you have one right?
being you're retiring in 10 years, I'd say you'd want to pull out funds representing the first 5 years of retirement.  Depending on what you have in the markets and what parts of your portfolio you plan to live off first.   Ten years (historically) looks to be the largest time it took for funds to recover back to pre-loss numbers.   The balance you keep in will have time to recover.  That, or look at lowering the risk of some of your portfolio.   
Much of the guidance / recommendations has to go with knowing if you’re on track (which I believe you once posted you are)   Question is, are you know track only by keeping up with the current risk / returns?   Some people want / need the risk to meet their objectives. Some people don’t realize but sometimes they’re in a higher risk than they require since their plan is tracking them above target!

Looking at my morningstar andex chart, it looks like the biggest recovery was 1969 through 1977
If you bought funds in 1969 - the stocks crashed in 1970........ People who invested in 1969 didn't even get back to break even until 1977.    The most recent example is actually late 2006, which was a peak, if you invested all your money at that time, you didn't get back to break even until mid 2013.  that's 7 years.




We have moved into a conservative position as at last week and right now I only plan for a 6% return vs. the 16% we got last year with a balanced approach. I was in mostly risky funds from 2009 to 2012 to make up for 2008 darkness. I just want to make it to the finish line in 2022 without a surprise.

sounds like all is being taken care of
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Re: The money thread
« Reply #664 on: July 23, 2014, 07:27:39 pm »
The markets just do not want to go down...yet.  :)

They're waiting for ever last retail investor to climb aboard and then it will tank.  :rofl2:

Just keep watching TD Bank.

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #665 on: July 23, 2014, 10:41:22 pm »
The markets just do not want to go down...yet.  :)

They're waiting for ever last retail investor to climb aboard and then it will tank.  :rofl2:

Just keep watching TD Bank.

I moved to the sidelines too soon and missed much of the run up. Hung on to all my energy stocks though so I'm ahead in '14...just not as much as I could have been.

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #666 on: July 23, 2014, 10:44:23 pm »
Thinking that everybody says park the money but now that we all have....... was it the right thing to do  :)

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #667 on: July 23, 2014, 11:02:23 pm »
Thinking that everybody says park the money but now that we all have....... was it the right thing to do  :)

You're aiming for 2022, right? I'd take the conservative approach as well.

You might lose some upside, but your goal is to avoid too much downside.

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #668 on: July 24, 2014, 07:43:00 am »
 :banghead: China factory index to it highest level in 18 months...LME prices jump.

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #669 on: July 25, 2014, 02:51:57 pm »
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/investment-ideas/7-ways-to-de-risk-your-portfolio/article19731713/

The Globe Investor had another good article (found it on my phone app) but can't find it on the regular site... about the markets potentially having a "melt-up" and not a "melt-down" BUT it still pretty much said we're ultimately heading for a correction.
valuations are simply too high.      Actually I did find it in the article search (just search "melt up") now I can't see it because I've reached my limit of free articles. 

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #670 on: July 25, 2014, 03:39:21 pm »
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Re: The money thread
« Reply #671 on: July 31, 2014, 09:29:15 am »
My oldest just read that David Chilton (?) book and now wants to start saving for his future. Two weeks 'til his 18th and he's talking about TFSA's and equity funds and RBC's income fund and where and how much he should put away. Sorry kid, can't help you. He's already read more on it in a week than I ever have.  He's wondering if he should put money away now or after he's done school. I think he should do it now, he's got almost 20 in the bank so I think he could d easily toss 2500 or even 5000 into a TFSA now and contribute what he can from his farm job every year, even if it's just another 1000/yr.  I might have to set him up with someone I know. I just hope she's as good as I've been lead to believe.

the sooner the better. 
the most important factor is when he'll need the money.
(school?  future home? etc...)   That'll drive the direction of how it should be invested. (how long to lock in)


the huge advantage of the TFSA is the interest being sheltered, however if he's in school - school credits usually are enough to offset taxes and the TFSA benefit doesn't matter too much. 

I would be hesitant to invest in the markets if that money would be needed short term.
 

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #672 on: July 31, 2014, 12:57:20 pm »
Bay Street called up their stooge, the late departed Jim Flaherty, and said Jimbo we want more of Joe citizen's savings/cash, here is our scheme, call it a Tax Free Savings Account , make it happen.  Oh and by the way, it's great politically.  A WIN WIN for US.  :rofl2:
 

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #673 on: August 01, 2014, 01:14:40 pm »
And here we go.

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #674 on: August 01, 2014, 02:27:26 pm »
^^If so I'm in the right place (for once). I've been considering building a position in base metals because the sector seems to have hit bottom, is still beaten up (down) and yet the overall economy is stable.

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #675 on: August 01, 2014, 03:02:49 pm »
only a small dip so far.

of the 100+ stocks that I keep track of, only a few companies are getting low enough for me to consider buying (and it happens to be stuff I current don't have the cash for)

Still going to wait and watch. 

most interesting news today is Prem Watsa being investigated for insider trading..




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Re: The money thread
« Reply #676 on: August 03, 2014, 11:11:51 am »
^^If so I'm in the right place (for once). I've been considering building a position in base metals because the sector seems to have hit bottom, is still beaten up (down) and yet the overall economy is stable.

It has been crawling along the bottom for a year longer than I thought. There is no downside risk anymore and the time to get in is soon as most of the poor performing projects and assets have been purged from the books. The key is to not invest in these projects that get repackaged under new management and companies.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/investment-ideas/bargains-abound-in-rebounding-base-metals-sector/article19880888/#dashboard/follows/


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Re: The money thread
« Reply #677 on: August 07, 2014, 04:01:43 pm »
They say a 10% retreat is required for a true bull market correction (don't ask me who 'they' are). We're a third of the way there.

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #678 on: August 07, 2014, 04:12:51 pm »
they are always wrong.  I'm up overall

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Re: The money thread
« Reply #679 on: August 07, 2014, 05:25:46 pm »
The experts all say the correction will happen....I guess it wont then  :P