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Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« on: February 02, 2012, 11:06:06 pm »
Grain farmers in Ontario are dispusting a report that suggests crop-based ethanol is diverting corn from livestock use.

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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 08:49:38 am »
Remove the mandated 5% ethanol blend (10% in Ontario) and let the market decide the most efficient method of fueling our vehicles. What is not mentioned is the 33% loss in energy content for ethanol vs. gasoline which reduces your kilometers per tank vs. gasoline.
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2012, 11:31:10 am »
..My Dr. begs to differ............ :shuffle:...can't remember last time I ate a Farmer
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 12:17:22 pm »
Quote from: Danno001 on February 03, 2012, 08:49:38 am
Remove the mandated 5% ethanol blend (10% in Ontario) and let the market decide the most efficient method of fueling our vehicles. What is not mentioned is the 33% loss in energy content for ethanol vs. gasoline which reduces your kilometers per tank vs. gasoline.

how true. 
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 12:46:55 pm »
I think the whole ethanol scam is a complete boondoggle. I agree with The comment above about letting the market decide fuel sources.
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 12:54:27 pm »
Shell 91 no ethanol way better.
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 12:58:53 pm »
Quote from: wing on February 03, 2012, 12:54:27 pm
Shell 91 no ethanol way better.

We're having to sell high test at our Yacht Club fuel dock now to avoid ethanol. (Ethanol can cause issues in outboards and other marine applications)
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 01:45:49 pm »
Quote from: wing on February 03, 2012, 12:54:27 pm
Shell 91 no ethanol way better.

i think shell in this town may contain alcohol..  they say so on the pumps... 
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 04:22:23 pm »
Quote from: sailor723 on February 03, 2012, 12:58:53 pm
Quote from: wing on February 03, 2012, 12:54:27 pm
Shell 91 no ethanol way better.

We're having to sell high test at our Yacht Club fuel dock now to avoid ethanol. (Ethanol can cause issues in outboards and other marine applications)

 hello Sailor...ya cruising fer a bruising.... YACHT CLUBS with NO ALCOHOL...that'll take the wind outta their sails..........I imagine all the YACHTS are  snug as a bugger in a rugger scrum aboot now....not to be seen for 7 weekends this Summer.... ;D :stick: :light: :think: :nono: >:D
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 04:34:39 pm »
Quote from: safristi on February 03, 2012, 04:22:23 pm
Quote from: sailor723 on February 03, 2012, 12:58:53 pm
Quote from: wing on February 03, 2012, 12:54:27 pm
Shell 91 no ethanol way better.

We're having to sell high test at our Yacht Club fuel dock now to avoid ethanol. (Ethanol can cause issues in outboards and other marine applications)

 hello Sailor...ya cruising fer a bruising.... YACHT CLUBS with NO ALCOHOL...that'll take the wind outta their sails..........I imagine all the YACHTS are  snug as a bugger in a rugger scrum aboot now....not to be seen for 7 weekends this Summer.... ;D :stick: :light: :think: :nono: >:D

Oh, lots of alcohol,we just don't waste it by adding it to gasoline  ;D 

As for the boat....Well,I still go down to the club,trudge through the snow and pat her bottom every so often  ;)
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 04:44:54 pm »
The American Ethanol industry, underwritten for the last 20 years by the American taxpayer, is one of the greatest "security hoaxes" contrived by Corporate America right up there with the Iraq invasion and Homelands Security.
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 05:35:59 pm »
Quote from: wing on February 03, 2012, 12:54:27 pm
Shell 91 no ethanol way better.

Petro Canada/Sunoco 94 is ethanol free as well no? And Chevron 94 in BC.

Alberta is 100% ethanol free with all grades, lucky bastards.
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 05:38:47 pm »
Quote from: DKaz on February 03, 2012, 05:35:59 pm
Alberta is 100% ethanol free with all grades, lucky bastards.

Where did you hear that?  Not true. 
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2012, 06:07:13 pm »
Yeah, just premium is marked ethanol free in Alberta, and only with some brands
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2012, 10:07:00 pm »
Quote from: DKaz on February 03, 2012, 05:35:59 pm
Quote from: wing on February 03, 2012, 12:54:27 pm
Shell 91 no ethanol way better.

Petro Canada/Sunoco 94 is ethanol free as well no? And Chevron 94 in BC.

94 has ethanol here.  But the shell 91 pumps say none.  I've noticed better performance and fuel consumption in my S2000 with 91 over the 94 so I stopped going to the 94
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2012, 10:51:23 pm »
Shell 91 is win. Use it almost exclusively in all 3 cars.
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2012, 08:47:46 am »
Quote from: mmret on February 03, 2012, 10:51:23 pm
Shell 91 is win. Use it almost exclusively in all 3 cars.

Yep...my tuner said only Shell 91
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2012, 10:46:25 am »
Very useful website.  http://pure-gas.org/
If it has a carb, never use ethanol.  If it goes in a gas can and sits, never use ethanol.
IMHO, just never use ethanol.
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Re: Ethanol isn't diverting food, farmers say
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2012, 10:53:44 am »
Quote from: mmret on February 03, 2012, 10:51:23 pm
Shell 91 is win. Use it almost exclusively in all 3 cars.

Looked all over Shell's website and could find no mention of Ethanol.
Around here Shell's are few & far between - only 2 here in Guelph
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