Topic: Used Vehicle Review: Porsche 911, 2009-2011

[Autos_Editor]

There's little statistical data about the 911's reliability history, but 911 owner forums point to a few problem areas.

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[lebowski]

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There's little statistical data about the 911's reliability history, but 911 owner forums point to a few problem areas.

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It seems the 997.2 with the DFI engine is a way better used car bet than the 997.1, with the latter's potentially catastrophic RMS/IMS issues. Here's hoping someone's trophy wife in South Florida will be taking good care her base 997.2 until I've got enough scratch to take it off her hands in a few years 

[safristi]

U scratch her "itch" and i'ts yours weeks  months years sooner...keep Fit ....    PIMPORSCHE BE YOURS.....

[Snowman]

  Want this car.



   but logic and common sense take over.

[safristi]

  when has that stopped U before...........

[johngenx]

993 still ranks ahead of any of the newer models for me.  But, the 2012 redo looks pretty awesome in pics, can't wait to see one.

[rrocket]

996 Turbo for me!

[johngenx]

I had a chance to get a very brief bit of seat time in a 1997 993 turbo, and it's one of the most brutal cars I've driven.  It's not the sheer power (though at over 400hp, it's no slouch), but the delivery.  The twin turbo built boost WAY faster than the single turbo models, eliminating lag.  The AWD system combined with the rear weight bias has it launch hard enough to embed your belt buckle into your spine.

At a track event, a 1997 model ripped 0-100km/h in the high 3's, easily repeated.  I was very impressed, to say the least.

[5 Wheel Drive]

993 still ranks ahead of any of the newer models for me.  But, the 2012 redo looks pretty awesome in pics, can't wait to see one.

I got to see it in person at the Montral Auto show.  You can tell it's grown slightly, but very nice looking in person.  Too bad they were roped off and you couldn't get a little closer...

[bluelines]

I agree, but prices for a decent 993 are incredibly high. You can easily pay $60k + for a mint 993 C4S. It can actually be cheaper to buy a 2006 997.

993 still ranks ahead of any of the newer models for me.  But, the 2012 redo looks pretty awesome in pics, can't wait to see one.

[johngenx]

I agree, but prices for a decent 993 are incredibly high. You can easily pay $60k + for a mint 993 C4S. It can actually be cheaper to buy a 2006 997.

'Cause most Porschephiles know they're better...

(My 1987 911 turbo, sold to a friend ~11 years ago, was resold recently, for $5K more than he paid me for it.  I sold it to him for $2K more than I paid for it.  The kicker is that the $$ amount is enough to buy that 2006 997.  Yup, a 25yr old Porsche sells for that much?  People want 'em...)

[bluelines]

Don't get me wrong, I love 993s. The noise the air-cooled cars make is fantastic, but a 997 will outperform a 993 in almost every other respect. Easier to live with day-to-day, sharper handling, a lot more power, much more well thought out interior and still tons of character. If I was buying a third car to be driven on the occasional weekend blast, the 993 would win hands down, but for something to be used more often or as my primary driver, I'd probably go with a 997.

Where I definitely agree is in the value of the 993. They will only go up in value, particularly the most desirable models such as the widebody "S" derivatives. But to preserve that value, you just can't put a lot of miles on the clock.

I agree, but prices for a decent 993 are incredibly high. You can easily pay $60k + for a mint 993 C4S. It can actually be cheaper to buy a 2006 997.

'Cause most Porschephiles know they're better...

(My 1987 911 turbo, sold to a friend ~11 years ago, was resold recently, for $5K more than he paid me for it.  I sold it to him for $2K more than I paid for it.  The kicker is that the $$ amount is enough to buy that 2006 997.  Yup, a 25yr old Porsche sells for that much?  People want 'em...)

[johngenx]

997 might be faster, have a real heater, etc, but in terms of robust build and ability to DIY, they're not even close.  The 997 engine goof also sealed the deal with a lot of enthusiasts, pointing out that perhaps Porsche just wasn't over-engineering the heck of the cars anymore.  Truth or not, perception is what counts.

Also, in many eyes, the 993 has much nicer sheetmetal than the 997.  In resale land, looks count for a LOT.  Colour combinations and exterior configurations SEVERELY influence value of all Porsches, and with many diehards preferring the looks of the 993, that drives prices.

[macedonian]

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There's little statistical data about the 911's reliability history, but 911 owner forums point to a few problem areas.

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if somebody want's to buy it, yes it should be careful but we know that if you can buy this car, you probably have money for the repairs, and also every car company makes lemons, so just it's the luck

[topspd]

I'd say that 993 pricing is driven far more by virtue of it being last of the air cooled engines and with far lower production numbers, than looks. Looks vs. the 996, yes, but the 997 is equally attractive in my eyes, and in those of many other enthusiasts.  A 993S's wide body looks better but is an inferior handling car to the narrow body 993, yet has higher pricing due to it's even lower production numbers.

Ive extensively driven 993's, 996's and have owned a 997.1 and now a 997.2. I preferred the 993 over the 996, but the 997 over the 993. The 993 is a nice toy, but has plenty of problems of its own and the floor mounted clutch pedal makes driving in heavy traffic more than annoying.  A 997 is just as fun but can be a daily driver, year round.  And Ive had zero problems with both 997's, contrary to the article's warnings.

If you can handle having only 2 seats, the Cayman provides even sharper handling and most of the experience for less money, only sacrificing the 997's torque.

[Snowman]

I'd say that 993 pricing is driven far more by virtue of it being last of the air cooled engines and with far lower production numbers, than looks. Looks vs. the 996, yes, but the 997 is equally attractive in my eyes, and in those of many other enthusiasts.  A 993S's wide body looks better but is an inferior handling car to the narrow body 993, yet has higher pricing due to it's even lower production numbers.

Ive extensively driven 993's, 996's and have owned a 997.1 and now a 997.2. I preferred the 993 over the 996, but the 997 over the 993. The 993 is a nice toy, but has plenty of problems of its own and the floor mounted clutch pedal makes driving in heavy traffic more than annoying.  A 997 is just as fun but can be a daily driver, year round.  And Ive had zero problems with both 997's, contrary to the article's warnings.

If you can handle having only 2 seats, the Cayman provides even sharper handling and most of the experience for less money, only sacrificing the 997's torque.

Despite my reluctance to buy anything German I would want a 997.2 4S for the reasons you mentioned. In April 2014 when I punt back the STi to Subaru for lease return if I spot a nice low km 4S kicking around for $50k it will be on my short list.

[Railton]

I'd say that 993 pricing is driven far more by virtue of it being last of the air cooled engines and with far lower production numbers, than looks. Looks vs. the 996, yes, but the 997 is equally attractive in my eyes, and in those of many other enthusiasts.  A 993S's wide body looks better but is an inferior handling car to the narrow body 993, yet has higher pricing due to it's even lower production numbers.

Ive extensively driven 993's, 996's and have owned a 997.1 and now a 997.2. I preferred the 993 over the 996, but the 997 over the 993. The 993 is a nice toy, but has plenty of problems of its own and the floor mounted clutch pedal makes driving in heavy traffic more than annoying.  A 997 is just as fun but can be a daily driver, year round.  And Ive had zero problems with both 997's, contrary to the article's warnings.

If you can handle having only 2 seats, the Cayman provides even sharper handling and most of the experience for less money, only sacrificing the 997's torque.

Despite my reluctance to buy anything German I would want a 997.2 4S for the reasons you mentioned. In April 2014 when I punt back the STi to Subaru for lease return if I spot a nice low km 4S kicking around for $50k it will be on my short list.

Considering a low mileage '09 4S is around $80K+ USD currently, I don't think they will drop $30K in two years.
Railton

[Snowman]

I'd say that 993 pricing is driven far more by virtue of it being last of the air cooled engines and with far lower production numbers, than looks. Looks vs. the 996, yes, but the 997 is equally attractive in my eyes, and in those of many other enthusiasts.  A 993S's wide body looks better but is an inferior handling car to the narrow body 993, yet has higher pricing due to it's even lower production numbers.

Ive extensively driven 993's, 996's and have owned a 997.1 and now a 997.2. I preferred the 993 over the 996, but the 997 over the 993. The 993 is a nice toy, but has plenty of problems of its own and the floor mounted clutch pedal makes driving in heavy traffic more than annoying.  A 997 is just as fun but can be a daily driver, year round.  And Ive had zero problems with both 997's, contrary to the article's warnings.

If you can handle having only 2 seats, the Cayman provides even sharper handling and most of the experience for less money, only sacrificing the 997's torque.

Despite my reluctance to buy anything German I would want a 997.2 4S for the reasons you mentioned. In April 2014 when I punt back the STi to Subaru for lease return if I spot a nice low km 4S kicking around for $50k it will be on my short list.

Considering a low mileage '09 4S is around $80K+ USD currently, I don't think they will drop $30K in two years.
Railton

  997.1 then

[Railton]

I'd say that 993 pricing is driven far more by virtue of it being last of the air cooled engines and with far lower production numbers, than looks. Looks vs. the 996, yes, but the 997 is equally attractive in my eyes, and in those of many other enthusiasts.  A 993S's wide body looks better but is an inferior handling car to the narrow body 993, yet has higher pricing due to it's even lower production numbers.

Ive extensively driven 993's, 996's and have owned a 997.1 and now a 997.2. I preferred the 993 over the 996, but the 997 over the 993. The 993 is a nice toy, but has plenty of problems of its own and the floor mounted clutch pedal makes driving in heavy traffic more than annoying.  A 997 is just as fun but can be a daily driver, year round.  And Ive had zero problems with both 997's, contrary to the article's warnings.

If you can handle having only 2 seats, the Cayman provides even sharper handling and most of the experience for less money, only sacrificing the 997's torque.

Despite my reluctance to buy anything German I would want a 997.2 4S for the reasons you mentioned. In April 2014 when I punt back the STi to Subaru for lease return if I spot a nice low km 4S kicking around for $50k it will be on my short list.

Considering a low mileage '09 4S is around $80K+ USD currently, I don't think they will drop $30K in two years.
Railton

  997.1 then

at'a boy.
Railton

[rrocket]

I'd say that 993 pricing is driven far more by virtue of it being last of the air cooled engines and with far lower production numbers, than looks. Looks vs. the 996, yes, but the 997 is equally attractive in my eyes, and in those of many other enthusiasts.  A 993S's wide body looks better but is an inferior handling car to the narrow body 993, yet has higher pricing due to it's even lower production numbers.

Ive extensively driven 993's, 996's and have owned a 997.1 and now a 997.2. I preferred the 993 over the 996, but the 997 over the 993. The 993 is a nice toy, but has plenty of problems of its own and the floor mounted clutch pedal makes driving in heavy traffic more than annoying.  A 997 is just as fun but can be a daily driver, year round.  And Ive had zero problems with both 997's, contrary to the article's warnings.

If you can handle having only 2 seats, the Cayman provides even sharper handling and most of the experience for less money, only sacrificing the 997's torque.

Despite my reluctance to buy anything German I would want a 997.2 4S for the reasons you mentioned. In April 2014 when I punt back the STi to Subaru for lease return if I spot a nice low km 4S kicking around for $50k it will be on my short list.

Considering a low mileage '09 4S is around $80K+ USD currently, I don't think they will drop $30K in two years.
Railton

  997.1 then

Still don't believe me the 996 TT is the way to go for the money, eh?