Topic: GM Back On Top

[safristi]

..GM's BACK ON TOP..yeah they are enjoying their  Missionary! position ,putting it to the Chinese market..............Buick love U long time..... .......till they COPY everything important about your transplanted factory and then screw you TOGETHER with a big arse beating in your home market in a few years............COPY CATS....like Japan in the olden daze......


 in the far EAST   COPYRIGHT and such is just another word for "NICE STUFF LET ME BUILD IT as if I came up with the idea"

[richink]

This isn't to slag Honda here, but give Chrysler some credit where it's due.  Their minivans are an incredible value, by any objective measure (price per feature, price per performance, total operating cost, etc).  And I don't own one, or any Chrysler vehicle.

Precisely, and it's not a slag against Chrysler either, each vehicle has it's place. I still think a Caravan is without a doubt the absoulte best value for a family vehicle out there. They are also as about as exciting as watching paint dry and being a Chrysler have random quality issues a-z.

Back in my days as a rep the Odyssey did it all better. It outperformed Caravan's in every respect, carried more, hauled more and more space and had a better warranty. Not to mention that a Honda will do 300,000 km's without breaking a sweat or your bank account on repairs. That's not a biased opinion, it was simple fact.

But then again, Chrysler still sold 20 Caravan's for every 1 Odyssey that we sold. That's why I am saying that GM needs a minivan that can go toe to toe with Chrysler AND undercut them on $$$.

[airbalancer]

This isn't to slag Honda here, but give Chrysler some credit where it's due.  Their minivans are an incredible value, by any objective measure (price per feature, price per performance, total operating cost, etc).  And I don't own one, or any Chrysler vehicle.

Precisely, and it's not a slag against Chrysler either, each vehicle has it's place. I still think a Caravan is without a doubt the absoulte best value for a family vehicle out there. They are also as about as exciting as watching paint dry and being a Chrysler have random quality issues a-z.

Back in my days as a rep the Odyssey did it all better. It outperformed Caravan's in every respect, carried more, hauled more and more space and had a better warranty. Not to mention that a Honda will do 300,000 km's without breaking a sweat or your bank account on repairs. That's not a biased opinion, it was simple fact.

But then again, Chrysler still sold 20 Caravan's for every 1 Odyssey that we sold. That's why I am saying that GM needs a minivan that can go toe to toe with Chrysler AND undercut them on $$$.

I guess you never walk into the service area of a Honda dealership

[Sir Osis of Liver]

US sales of Acadia/Enclave/Traverse: 244811
US sales of Caravan/Town&Country: 205182

The transaction price is far higher for the GM CUVs than Chrysler gets for the vans.

[laspalmas]

Looks like with GM HD's it's problems with the diesel fuel systems in 2011. Otherwise the trucks rate very well.

But to declare that they make the best trucks and SUV's is another matter. If he would have added IMHO ok, that's his opinion.

[richink]

US sales of Acadia/Enclave/Traverse: 244811
US sales of Caravan/Town&Country: 205182

The transaction price is far higher for the GM CUVs than Chrysler gets for the vans.

The numbers are still useless. We don't know how many were fleeted en masse at even larger discounts than the average consumer can get.

It still doesn't answer why in the hell GM went bankrupt or what's wrong with their balance sheets.

[Fobroader]

Looks like with GM HD's it's problems with the diesel fuel systems in 2011. Otherwise the trucks rate very well.

But to declare that they make the best trucks and SUV's is another matter. If he would have added IMHO ok, that's his opinion.

Sorry, I forgot to put that it was just my opinion, thats all. Living in northern alberta and being the first large city close to the oil fields, i can say without a hesitation that we have a lot of trucks here.  This is just from what Ive heard from people that owned different trucks, GM, Ford and Dodge, GM makes the best highway truck, if you dont take it through really rough terrain with a big load, the truck will last forever, if you do load it up and go offroad, the front end will fall apart, oil/tranny cooler lines are a regular replacement item and if you talk to the idiots that stick a stage 6 tune into a stock truck, "that allison doesnt hold up at all!!!". The Cummins is a great engine.....too bad they stuck it in a Dodge, Ive heard a lot of owners badmouth the lack of build quality. Then theres Ford.....sigh.....after the 6L and 6.4 Powerstroke debacle...Im surprised anyone is willing to trust them to build an HD diesel truck. Again, this is isnt based off of your precious Consumer Reports or J.D. Power....this is just things Ive heard myself....so sorry, IMHO they make the best truck.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

US sales of Acadia/Enclave/Traverse: 244811
US sales of Caravan/Town&Country: 205182

The transaction price is far higher for the GM CUVs than Chrysler gets for the vans.

The numbers are still useless. We don't know how many were fleeted en masse at even larger discounts than the average consumer can get.

It still doesn't answer why in the hell GM went bankrupt or what's wrong with their balance sheets.

In this case it's pretty safe to say that more Caravans and T&Cs end up in fleets than Acadians/Traverses and Enclaves.

I think the "why" of the bankruptcy is pretty well known: too many non-competitive products spread over too many brands and too high overhead costs and obligations.