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Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« on: January 06, 2012, 03:06:14 am »


Mazda's new SkyActiv technology gives the 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky an almost unbeatable combination of power and fuel economy.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 05:57:50 am »
OK this is progress.  The Mazda 3 hatch is now something that the Honda Civic should have evolved into had they kept the hatch alive.  Why, oh why did they drop it! (I know why they dropped it but I just don't like it.)

Can't wait for the diesel model. 

Manufacturers seem to have finally gotten the message of low cruising RPMs.  The 3 will sit at 1800PRM at 100km/hour and the diesel Golf has to be setting some kind of record with its 1300RPM.

These two must be pretty decent in terms of highway cabin noise and the fuel economy benefits go without saying.

It will be interesting to see what Honda does with their Civic overhaul but if they don't drop in a substantially new engine and 6 cogs, the Civic will certainly be disappearing from the front ranks of compacts.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 07:13:27 am »
are you using the CDN fuel numbers or the true EPA numbers

are the sky engines being used else in the world yet?

if not I  think I would stay away for a year just in case

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 08:09:50 am »
So, great, they improved the engine... what about the rest of the car rusting away within 4-5 years of ownership. Has that been improved, too? Does it only happen after 5-6 years now, instead?

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2012, 08:38:23 am »
I'd like to see this 2.0 as an option in the Mazda2....Mazdaspeed 2 that is :) Cheap, great on gas and about a 50% increase in HP--it's a no brainer, Mazda!

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 08:49:43 am »
So, great, they improved the engine... what about the rest of the car rusting away within 4-5 years of ownership. Has that been improved, too? Does it only happen after 5-6 years now, instead?

They addressed this (supposedly) with the 2010 redesign.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 08:51:19 am »
So, great, they improved the engine... what about the rest of the car rusting away within 4-5 years of ownership. Has that been improved, too? Does it only happen after 5-6 years now, instead?

I second that. I have owned 3 Mazdas from 1990 to 2006 and all were rust buckets.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 08:59:37 am »
Why isn't the impreza listed as a competitor? Maybe just oversight since there are so many competitors in this segment?

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 09:04:48 am »
Nice!  That seems like a pretty decent value.  More power, better fuel economy.  I'd be perfectly happy with the exact same car, but with the manual transmission.
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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 09:05:26 am »
Skyactiv-G engines as well as their iStop technology has been in Japan for a couple of years now.

And sheesh hardly any rusty Mazdas around here in Vancouver. I saw one about six months ago, rust hole on the back hatch on a car that had perfectly good paint on it. Sure enough, it had Ontario plates on it.
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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 09:07:32 am »
I think this sums up the article nicely:

"For its price, the 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky offers an almost unbeatable combination of power, fuel efficiency, comfort and utility, and it was achieved using conventional gasoline-fueled powertrain technology rather than alternative technology such as hybrid, diesel or electric."

Indeed, Mazda has a history of being associated with great engineering and design progress. This car makes it practical and affordable, and it would be my choice for a new small car. There are lots of gas-savers out there that can deliver on MPG but very few which are dynamically competent and fun to drive.

*The article notes that 'class exclusive' features include blind-spot information system (doesn't the Focus hatch have this?) and the pivoting headlights (VW GTI). Not sure if the GTI is classified the same, but I would think the Ford is.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2012, 09:12:55 am »
And sheesh hardly any rusty Mazdas around here in Vancouver.
of course not...that's almost as silly as saying "No rusty Mazdas here in Arizona".  :P

put a car through 4 months of salty slushy roads, and that will really test it.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2012, 09:23:42 am »
My point is don't blame the car, blame the climate.  ;D And I heard cracked leather seats can be common on five year old cars that have been parked out under the Arizona sun for so long. Better to find a garage kept vehicle, whichever climate you buy a used vehicle in.

And seems the average fuel economy for known Skyactiv models on Fuelly is 7.6L/100km. Two comparable models are the Ford Focus at 7.6L/100km average and Hyundai Elantra at 7.9L/100km average.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2012, 09:25:21 am by DKaz »

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 09:47:22 am »
My point is don't blame the car, blame the climate.

thats not quite right. Other cars (toyota, honda for example) do not deteriorate that quickly.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 09:52:22 am »
My point is don't blame the car, blame the climate.

thats not quite right. Other cars (toyota, honda for example) do not deteriorate that quickly.

Yep. Mazda's not getting my money while I see 4-5 year old Mazda3's with more panels with rust than without. They apparently fixed that for their 2010 Mazda3... So we'll see if the number of rusty Mazda3's starts dimishing somewhere in 2015-2016...

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2012, 09:53:19 am »
My point is don't blame the car, blame the climate.  ;D And I heard cracked leather seats can be common on five year old cars that have been parked out under the Arizona sun for so long. Better to find a garage kept vehicle, whichever climate you buy a used vehicle in.

And seems the average fuel economy for known Skyactiv models on Fuelly is 7.6L/100km. Two comparable models are the Ford Focus at 7.6L/100km average and Hyundai Elantra at 7.9L/100km average.


Actually I do blame the car and Mazda.  I have a 2006 Mazda 3 and active on their forums.  Rust is a huge issue for those with 1st gen Mazda 3's and before that even the Protege.  We'll have to wait a couple of more years to see if Mazda has fixed the issue on the current generation.  The climate plays a part but you will see many cars that are just as old or older with little or no rust compared to the 3.  

Its a great driving car and quite fun.  However, the rust issue has pushed quite a few owners away from the brand on their next purchase.  Myself included.  

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2012, 10:00:51 am »
I was in the market for a compact over the holidays, and looked at the Skyactive, Elantra and Civic.  Sticker price on the fords was too high and nothing else has the fuel economy I was looking for.

The Mazda was the best driving of the three, but I was looking at a "sunroof" trim level and it could not compete on price with the Civic.  Not just the list price, there was an extra $900-1000 in delivery/ PDI that was a deal breaker, (2400 vs 1300!, thats a big percentage on a $20k car!)  The less competitive interest rates over 5 years were also noted.

People give the Civic a hard time for its hard plastics, but the Mazda interior has a lot of hard plastic in places too.  Of the three I looked at the Elantra had by far the nicest interior, seemed to have more room in the back,  and had the best toy count (Fog lights, heated REAR seats!), but it drove like a pudding, totally boring and uninvolving.  The elantra also still has 6000km service intervals, compared to 8k for the mazda and active monitoring in the civic (I get 11k between changes on my 08 civic), all of which factors into cost of ownership for me.

In the end I put my money on a Civic EX, and paid the extra $1000 for heated seats (an unadvertised option?) and fog lights, it still worked out cheaper than the other two, comes with the expectation of little to no mechanical trouble and high residual values, and no concerns over long term rust.  The fuel economy is about as good, the ride and handling close to the mazda, and the overall cost of ownership will likely be less.  With returning customer interest rates of 0.99% Im looking at $400 a month over 5 years. The fact that much of that money will go into canadian pockets as its an Ontario built car is also a side benefit too as far as Im concerned, its nice to support the local economy and canadian jobs given that they make a decent competitive product.

Time will tell if I made the right choice, it took me a 2nd test drive to come to terms with the new civic interior, but second time around it didnt seem as cheap as first comparison with the outgoing model...  In the long term though the Civic needs an extra cog in the box to get highway revs down and further improve the mileage numbers.  If they put in a 6 speed with closer ratios like in the Si that totally defeats the point, the 1.8 if a great engine (especially paired with the manual transmission to push it up into the sweet spot), its got more than enough torque to push a longer gear when cruising the highways.  Worth considering though that even with the "old" engine and 5 speed boxes, the civic still has class leading fuel economy.

I should have added that I bought a standard not an auto, but the only dealer around here that actually has a standard in stock to test drive was the Hyundai dealer.  The Civic box is unchanged, so I know what I am getting, and I hear the Mazda box is one of the best in class with short crisp shifts.
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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 10:03:56 am »


*The article notes that 'class exclusive' features include blind-spot information system (doesn't the Focus hatch have this?) and the pivoting headlights (VW GTI). Not sure if the GTI is classified the same, but I would think the Ford is.

Those items are only available on the expensive very top of the range model mazda...
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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2012, 10:11:56 am »
thats not quite right. Other cars (toyota, honda for example) do not deteriorate that quickly.

They used to. Hondas in particular, try finding anything earlier than a mid 90s Civic without rust, ugh. My 91 Corolla was rust free when I sold it in 2008, but I've seen some 1998-1999 Corollas begin to rust, in Vancouver. That's just pure owner neglect.

Anyway I don't think Honda or Toyota lost many customers because of the old rustbuckets of the 80s.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Mazda3 Sport GS-Sky
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2012, 10:16:16 am »
I was in the market for a compact over the holidays, and looked at the Skyactive, Elantra and Civic.  Sticker price on the fords was too high and nothing else has the fuel economy I was looking for.

The Mazda was the best driving of the three, but I was looking at a "sunroof" trim level and it could not compete on price with the Civic.  Not just the list price, there was an extra $900-1000 in delivery/ PDI that was a deal breaker, (2400 vs 1300!, thats a big percentage on a $20k car!)  The less competitive interest rates over 5 years were also noted.

People give the Civic a hard time for its hard plastics, but the Mazda interior has a lot of hard plastic in places too.  Of the three I looked at the Elantra had by far the nicest interior, seemed to have more room in the back,  and had the best toy count (Fog lights, heated REAR seats!), but it drove like a pudding, totally boring and uninvolving.  The elantra also still has 6000km service intervals, compared to 8k for the mazda and active monitoring in the civic (I get 11k between changes on my 08 civic), all of which factors into cost of ownership for me.

In the end I put my money on a Civic EX, and paid the extra $1000 for heated seats (an unadvertised option?) and fog lights, it still worked out cheaper than the other two, comes with the expectation of little to no mechanical trouble and high residual values, and no concerns over long term rust.  The fuel economy is about as good, the ride and handling close to the mazda, and the overall cost of ownership will likely be less.  With returning customer interest rates of 0.99% Im looking at $400 a month over 5 years.

Time will tell if I made the right choice, it took me a 2nd test drive to come to terms with the new civic interior, but second time around it didnt seem as cheap as first comparison with the outgoing model...  In the long term though the CIvic needs an extra cog in the box to get highway revs down and further improve the mileage numbers.

I should have added that I bought a standard not an auto, but the only dealer around here that actually has a standard in stock to test drive was the Hyundai dealer.  The Civic box is unchanged, so I know what I am getting, and I hear the Mazda box is one of the best in class with short crisp shifts.


I also picked up a 2012 EX sedan Civic.  I pay 265/month tax in with nothing down.  For that money nothing comes close in the market place.  My mother in law has a 2011 Mazda 3 and I have to admit it's more fun to drive but I wanted a rush hour commuter car so IMO civic is better suited for that duty.  Also Civic is much roomier inside I found (hatch notwithstanding).  I had no idea you could get heated seats in the EX.  Is that a dealer installed option?  That's the only thing I don't like about the car so far. 

A diesel Mazda would definatelly have me back at a mazda dealer taking another look though.