Author Topic: need one all season tire to replace a bad flat brand new one and can't get it (Read 1104 times)

21Rouge · « **on:** December 20, 2011, 10:43:27 am »

6 weeks ago I replaced the OEM tires with 4 brand new All Season Toyo Versados (OEM size i.e. 255/65R18). Well late last week I got a bad flat i.e. the left rear 6 week old Toyo was unrepairable. I took the car into the shop that sold me the tires and they have told me the tire is on back order for approximately 2 weeks.

In the meantime they put a used non-OEM sized tire on the car but straight out of the lot the dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree ie ABS and STABILITRACK need servicing. And of course this makes sense as 3 of the tires are one size and one 'wrong' size tire.

Anyways I am between a rock and a hard place as the 3 remaining tires are basically brand spanking new and now with the unmatched tire I no longer have the safety advantage of ABS and STABILITRACK. So the car sits in the driveway. I will not let my family drive it given the apparent lack of ABS and STABILITRACK.

I have now spoken to "customer service" for Toyo Canada, I was told that there is a back order of over 600 of this same tire (tires come from Japan)! Speaking again with the franchised tire shop the manager has been more helpful and he thinks he has secured the last tire of this size and is being shipped in from Vancouver to be here by week's end. My Traverse continues to sit in the driveway unable to be used (safely).

For arguments sake lets say I find out that there will be no tire for....6 weeks

. What do I do?

Unless I am missing something I would need to replace my essentially brand new (purchased mid October) OEM sized Toyo tires and purchase 4 replacement tires (of course all the same size). Something isnt quite right if it comes to this

.

*If* this does come to pass and I do need to pay for four new tires I might as well might buy at this point 4 winter tires. At least this would be of use in the future. Crazy if it comes to this though.

This is frustrating.

Fobroader · « **Reply #1 on:** December 20, 2011, 10:52:08 am »

Depending on the size of the tire, if you have AWD, DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR!!!! Lights are whatever, but youll burn up your differentials right quick with one oddball sized tire. I would honestly give a huge blast of

to the shop for doing this, one worng sized tire on a vehicle, Im sure thats against some sort of vehicular law!!!

tortoise · « **Reply #2 on:** December 20, 2011, 10:59:33 am »

Depending on the model of your Versado's 1010tires seems to have the CUV mode in stock.

blur911 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 20, 2011, 11:01:22 am »

Quote from: Fobroader on December 20, 2011, 10:52:08 am

I would honestly give a huge blast of to the shop for doing this, one worng sized tire on a vehicle, Im sure thats against some sort of vehicular law!!!

You're right about the AWD, but about the different sized tire being illegal all I have to say is: "space-saver spare tire"

ktm525 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 20, 2011, 11:13:33 am »

You need a tire with a circumference close to the remaining Toyos. The replacement can be narrower but will need an increased profile to achieve the desired size.

You can even downsize a wheel size and use a taller profile tire. The tire shop is not trying very hard.

Fobroader · « **Reply #5 on:** December 20, 2011, 11:17:12 am »

Quote from: blur911 on December 20, 2011, 11:01:22 am

Quote from: Fobroader on December 20, 2011, 10:52:08 am
I would honestly give a huge blast of to the shop for doing this, one worng sized tire on a vehicle, Im sure thats against some sort of vehicular law!!!

You're right about the AWD, but about the different sized tire being illegal all I have to say is: "space-saver spare tire"

It depends how big the size difference is. I commpletely forgot about space saver tires, having had trucks and Jeeps for a while, I am used to a full size spare.

mrthompson · « **Reply #6 on:** December 20, 2011, 11:23:18 am »

Perhaps the tire shop could find a tire in their inventory with the same outside diameter? According to Toyo's website, the Versado CUV has an OD of 28.9".

21Rouge · « **Reply #7 on:** December 20, 2011, 12:05:46 pm »

Quote from: Fobroader on December 20, 2011, 10:52:08 am

Depending on the size of the tire, if you have AWD, DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR!!!!

I dont think this is the case i.e. from the manual:

The AWD system is disabled until the compact spare tire is replaced by a full-size tire.

mrthompson · « **Reply #8 on:** December 20, 2011, 12:09:48 pm »

In some AWD vehicles a fuse can be pulled to disable AWD manually for situations such as towing and mismatched tires. Am I wrong?

Fobroader · « **Reply #9 on:** December 20, 2011, 12:19:27 pm »

Quote from: 21Rouge on December 20, 2011, 12:05:46 pm

Quote from: Fobroader on December 20, 2011, 10:52:08 am
Depending on the size of the tire, if you have AWD, DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR!!!!

I dont think this is the case i.e. from the manual:

The AWD system is disabled until the compact spare tire is replaced by a full-size tire.

Oh, didnt know the car was smart enough to disable the awd itself. if thats the case, youre golden till you get a new tire.

articsteve · « **Reply #10 on:** December 20, 2011, 02:14:20 pm »

*If* this does come to pass and I do need to pay for four new tires I might as well might buy at this point 4 winter tires. At least this would be of use in the future. Crazy if it comes to this though.

At your level of concern (safety), I'm surprise you don't have a set of snows. In the long term, all you're really out is a set of steel rims.

I'd bite the bullet and purchase 4 - 17 inch steel rims (16 inch may be possible as well) and saunter over to you're local Wally World and purchase a set of Rovelo RWT which are Wally World's brand of Saulin. Tread pattern is almost a carbon copy of the former Gislavid Nord Frost 3.

mrthompson · « **Reply #11 on:** December 20, 2011, 03:20:01 pm »

Something to consider when buying winter tires from WalMart is that the stores send any remaining winter tires back to the warehouse in late February. If a replacement tire is needed, you're SOL until the following September.

I put a set of Nexen winter tires on the wife's Grand Caravan in the autumn of 2010. Last February one of the tires picked up a nail. The "tire tech" said it was unrepairable and a new tire would be needed. The problem was all the winter tires were locked away in the warehouse. We had to put the summer tires/wheels on. Not the end of the world, but an inconvenience just the same.

articsteve · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2011, 06:54:14 pm »

Buy 5.

21Rouge · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2011, 08:44:55 pm »

Quote from: articsteve on December 20, 2011, 02:14:20 pm

*If* this does come to pass and I do need to pay for four new tires I might as well might buy at this point 4 winter tires. At least this would be of use in the future. Crazy if it comes to this though.

At your level of concern (safety), I'm surprise you don't have a set of snows.

Fair enough.

The OEMs needed replacing this past October and it was just hard envisioning putting out for rims + winters and then new ALL SEASONS 6 months later.

21Rouge · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2011, 08:45:28 am »

So if I am able to find another brand of tire but the exact same size as the existing 3 tires....is this an acceptable set-up?

Art · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2011, 03:47:23 pm »

No, different tires on the same axle is not acceptable. Different tires on front compared to the rear is a better option if they are the same type of tire.

21Rouge · « **Reply #16 on:** December 21, 2011, 04:49:04 pm »

Quote from: Art on December 21, 2011, 03:47:23 pm

No, different tires on the same axle is not acceptable. Different tires on front compared to the rear is a better option if they are the same type of tire.

So all else being equal i.e. identical size, different tread pattern is a problem?

Fobroader · « **Reply #17 on:** December 21, 2011, 04:53:59 pm »

Quote from: 21Rouge on December 21, 2011, 04:49:04 pm

Quote from: Art on December 21, 2011, 03:47:23 pm
No, different tires on the same axle is not acceptable. Different tires on front compared to the rear is a better option if they are the same type of tire.

So all else being equal i.e. identical size, different tread pattern is a problem?

If its the same size but different tread pattern you might run into a problem with traction, where this tire might get more grip in the snow, ice or rain. In that case, that corner of the car might slide or get more traction than the other 3 tires.

21Rouge · « **Reply #18 on:** December 21, 2011, 04:57:32 pm »

Quote from: Fobroader on December 21, 2011, 04:53:59 pm

Quote from: 21Rouge on December 21, 2011, 04:49:04 pm
Quote from: Art on December 21, 2011, 03:47:23 pm
No, different tires on the same axle is not acceptable. Different tires on front compared to the rear is a better option if they are the same type of tire.

So all else being equal i.e. identical size, different tread pattern is a problem?

If its the same size but different tread pattern you might run into a problem with traction, where this tire might get more grip in the snow, ice or rain. In that case, that corner of the car might slide or get more traction than the other 3 tires.

Thanks for the clarification. Too bad.

aquadorhj · « **Reply #19 on:** December 21, 2011, 04:58:28 pm »

Quote from: 21Rouge on December 21, 2011, 04:49:04 pm

Quote from: Art on December 21, 2011, 03:47:23 pm
No, different tires on the same axle is not acceptable. Different tires on front compared to the rear is a better option if they are the same type of tire.

So all else being equal i.e. identical size, different tread pattern is a problem?

In my humble opinion, it's doable, especially if it's temporary.

Is it by the book? No.
is it desirable? No.
is it safe? Yes, within reason. you have to understand, that it's not the optimal setup. and, if any normal passenger cars ever reach their limits of adhesion on public roads, it will not behave as predictably as if it had been equipped with all four same tires.
but at sane city road speed, I think it's passable.

I've seen many cars with different tires on the same axle. I won't lie, I WOULD NOT recommend it, and I cringe everytime i see one like that, (also, bold tires) but..it's doable.

EDIT : ...if you get lots of snows or ice on the road, then no... i definitely wouldn't wanna try that.. at least 2 same tires on same axle...