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« on: November 14, 2011, 08:43:29 pm »
Anyone know if sales are lagging badly in Canada as they are in the US?

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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 10:29:55 pm »
Their sales don't seem that far out of line. It's going to take a bit for the FIAT name to gain traction, I'd say.

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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2011, 10:37:20 pm »
Their sales don't seem that far out of line. It's going to take a bit for the FIAT name to gain traction, I'd say.


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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2011, 10:39:17 pm »
Here are the American numbers to October. Again, not bad for a new nameplate and slow launch of the dealerships.

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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2011, 10:48:48 pm »
Here are the American numbers to October. Again, not bad for a new nameplate and slow launch of the dealerships.


BTW..those dealerships are going to go BK.  The specialized Fiat dealerships are rumored to have only Fiat 500s for the next 3-4 years until other Fiats are made available for sale.

Hard to keep a dealership afloat with only one model to sell....and a slow selling model at that.

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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 10:54:58 pm »
Promises were made to the dealer about a rapidly expanding product line, so dealers invested bug bucks in anticipation.  Then they get the bad news that the 500 is it, and for quite some time.

This might prove to be the undoing of Fiat in North America.  Dealers might hang on thanks to the big upfront dough, or they might bail and sue Fiat.
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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 11:00:55 pm »
Promises were made to the dealer about a rapidly expanding product line, so dealers invested bug bucks in anticipation.  Then they get the bad news that the 500 is it, and for quite some time.

This might prove to be the undoing of Fiat in North America.  Dealers might hang on thanks to the big upfront dough, or they might bail and sue Fiat.

Yes...quite right.  Will be hard to stay afloat and as you mention it could turn ugly.

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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2011, 03:11:54 am »
Most of the USA is hovering around $3.50 a gallon.  I think if they had 5 buck gas like we do you would see better sales.


Slow Fiat 500 sales bring layoffs at engine plant, UAW saysLarry P. Vellequette
Automotive News -- November 14, 2011 - 1:48 pm ET
UPDATED: 11/14/11 4:39 pm ET
 
 
DETROIT -- Chrysler Group has suspended production this month of the 1.4-liter FIRE engine that powers the Fiat 500 in North America because of slow U.S. sales of the subcompact, a top UAW local official said.

More than 100 of about 400 hourly workers at Chrysler's Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance Plant in Dundee, Mich., were laid off at the start of the month and don't know yet when they might be back on the job, said Tom Zimmerman, the plant's unit chairman for UAW Local 723.

Chrysler spokeswoman Jodi Tinson said the plant "is moderating its schedule to adjust for the current bank of engines." She disputed Zimmerman's numbers, however, saying that about 30 employees at the plant are currently laid off and another 35 are "redeployed" to other parts of the facility.

Internal Chrysler documents dated Nov. 1 and obtained by Automotive News show the automaker with a 184-day supply of Fiat 500 coupes and cabrios available to dealers, some of whom had sold as few as 49 cars between opening in March and Oct. 31. Others have sold as many as 370.

Tinson said the company had a 140-day supply at the end of October, and is "very pleased with the progress we are making with the North American launch of the Fiat brand."

The vehicle's strongest U.S. markets so far are in California and the Southeast, according to initial sales figures, while the weakest regional markets are in the Midwest.

Fiat's return to the North American market after almost 30 years has been slow and consistently behind schedule. The brand's first dealers -- who bid for the rights to sell the 500 and subsequent Fiat and perhaps Alfa Romeo vehicles -- were delayed for several months as they secured local approvals to build mandatory stand-alone stores. The brand's first dealerships didn't open until March, and the number has now reached 130 stores.

CEO Sergio Marchionne had initially predicted annual sales of the Fiat 500 in North America of 50,000 units, but he later backed off the number because of the slow rollout. Through October, Fiat sold just 15,826 units of the 500 in the United States.

This week, Chrysler will unveil the North American version of the Fiat 500 Abarth, a high-performance version of the two-door subcompact, at the Los Angeles Auto Show. The Abarth features a turbocharged 160-hp version of the 1.4-liter engine that also is manufactured in Dundee.

National advertising support for the Fiat 500 didn't start in earnest until the third quarter, with Chrysler contracting pop star Jennifer Lopez to introduce the subcompact to a national audience.

Editor's note: An earlier version of this story gave an initial sales projection of 50,000 units in the United States for the Fiat 500. The figure is for North America.

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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2011, 06:28:34 am »
They're selling about 25% the numbers in Canada (of US sales) in a market that's only about 10% the size of the US. Seems like US sales really are struggling in comparison. I don't know if this is the case elsewhere in Canada but our local Chrysler dealer didn't built a stand alone store....just partitioned off a two car area from his showroom and uses a common service area.
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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2011, 06:33:12 am »
I think that many, many people had seen the original mini even if they had never driven one whereas far fewere people had even a nodding acquaintance with the Fiat 500 and so it has not clicked yet. 
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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2011, 08:30:54 am »
Plus, this is a very small car with a hatchback.  We all know how much Americans do not love small cars and hatchbacks.  The Smart is not doing well at all either.

Hard to stay afloat when you only sell one car which is a niche market the majority of the country ignores.
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Re: Fiat 500
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2011, 02:18:57 pm »
They're selling about 25% the numbers in Canada (of US sales) in a market that's only about 10% the size of the US. Seems like US sales really are struggling in comparison. I don't know if this is the case elsewhere in Canada but our local Chrysler dealer didn't built a stand alone store....just partitioned off a two car area from his showroom and uses a common service area.

Yeah, I don't think the same rules apply to Canadian dealers.

It seems to be selling at similar rates in the US as other sub-compacts. I don't know if that's a surprise or not. I would have expected better, but I often have a difficult time deciphering the American mind.  ;D