My fiance has an 07 Jeep Wrangler with the ESP/ETC and an actual clutch type LSD. I hate the electronics, much like davidy, this idiotic electronic nanny has casue more than a few pucker moments when trying to accelarate on an icy road. Also, her Jeep is the first vehicle Ive seen that eats its rear brakes teice as fast as the front because the system is constantly trying to stop wheelspin using the brakes.