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Bye Bye Econoline
« on: September 16, 2011, 12:52:08 am »
The Econoline (E150) is dead. Long live the Transit. ;D

http://wardsauto.com/home/ford_van_lineup_110914/

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 04:15:14 pm »
does anyone actually care ;D

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 04:36:22 pm »
SICK GLORIA TRANSIT............................................oops she's alive and Frankensteinian............ :o
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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 03:18:02 pm »
Was just a matter of time.
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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 03:43:56 pm »
does anyone actually care ;D

I care.  I care A LOT. The Econline is a great workhorse and I have several but the fuel costs are now out of line for the volume it can carry. I am eagerly looking forward to the new product as the Transit Connect is working out very well for the inner city stuff. The Transit could do the suburbs quite nicely I think.

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 04:10:42 pm »
It will be interesting to see what engines it will have in NA.    I remember Transits in the UK  35 years ago so probably the Mk1  with 1600 cc  4 bangers and 4 mt.    I guess the 2 litre 4 cyl Ecoboost would be big enough here as no sensible person expects a van to accelerate quickly. I imagine that in the UK now they probably have 2 litre diesels which would be another good choice.

Anyway, a van even with its brick like aero should not need much engine to drag itself up to 110 km/h and cruise economically at that speed with a load on board but I am sure the "need for speed" will see it coming here with one of the 3.5 litre V6s.
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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 05:20:05 pm »
Power is how fast you hit the wall... Torque is how far you take the wall with you!


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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2011, 05:22:31 pm »
Hopefully it will be like this:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/2037/Ford-Supervan-3.html


Do you remember when Renault put their Espace ( mk1)  body on an F1 chassis....

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 06:03:33 pm »
It will be interesting to see what engines it will have in NA.    I remember Transits in the UK  35 years ago so probably the Mk1  with 1600 cc  4 bangers and 4 mt.    I guess the 2 litre 4 cyl Ecoboost would be big enough here as no sensible person expects a van to accelerate quickly. I imagine that in the UK now they probably have 2 litre diesels which would be another good choice.

Anyway, a van even with its brick like aero should not need much engine to drag itself up to 110 km/h and cruise economically at that speed with a load on board but I am sure the "need for speed" will see it coming here with one of the 3.5 litre V6s.

As a fleet operator, I want neither diesels nor turbos. Service headaches. I would like the V-6, please.

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2011, 06:37:35 pm »
How about a nice gas non-turbo 2.4 litre 4 with 150 bhp and lots of torque.   0-60 in 12 empty  or in 15 with a load should be enough  and an engine like that should be able to pull 100 on a flat road.  If you have to drive up the rockies/coastal range then I agree the V6.

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2011, 07:19:52 pm »
The UK engine lineup.


Diesel front-wheel drive (FWD)
2.2-litre Duratorq TDCi engine, available in three power and torque configurations:
• 85 PS/250 Nm – Durashift 5-speed manual transmission
• 115 PS/300 Nm – Durashift 6-speed manual transmission
• 140 PS/350 Nm – Durashift 6-speed manual transmission

Diesel rear-wheel drive (RWD)
2.4-litre Duratorq TDCi engine, available in three power and torque configurations: 
• 100PS/285Nm - Durashift 6-speed manual transmission
• 115 PS/310 Nm – Durashift 6-speed manual transmission
• 140 PS/375 Nm – Durashift 6-speed manual transmission
 
3.2-litre Duratorq TDCi engine: 
• 200 PS/470 Nm – Durashift 6-speed manual transmission

Diesel all-wheel drive (AWD)
2.4-litre Duratorq TDCi engine:
• 140 PS/375 Nm – Durashift 6-speed manual transmission

Petrol (RWD)
2.3-litre Duratec engine:
• 145 PS/210 Nm – Durashift 5-speed manual transmission


1PS = .986HP
1Nm = 0.737ft-lb

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2011, 08:01:45 pm »
Lotsa contractors still use those Econoline Vans. The installers type now are using MiniVans instead, mainly for fuel consumption.

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2011, 06:10:25 am »
does anyone actually care ;D

Yes. Finally at last a modern van. That crappy 1970's I'd be clad to see the back of...GM's as well.

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2011, 10:06:46 am »
....
Do you remember when Renault put their Espace ( mk1)  body on an F1 chassis....

Sure do...and I recall my mind doing a "huh?" with the sound of Prost coming down with it coming down the straight.

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2011, 11:01:49 am »
Quote
"Bruce Barry was a workin' man, he used to love that Transit Connect Van..."


Somehow that doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2011, 12:27:49 pm »
How about a nice gas non-turbo 2.4 litre 4 with 150 bhp and lots of torque.   0-60 in 12 empty  or in 15 with a load should be enough  and an engine like that should be able to pull 100 on a flat road.  If you have to drive up the rockies/coastal range then I agree the V6.

No thank you. I have done the turbo and diesel thing and it isn't profitable. If a turbo packs up it is going to cost me $2000 to replace it (at least) and at least three days' down time which is more like $3000 more. Count on the same bill for an injector pump. Just dealing with an idle driver and the garage causes plenty of headaches. Finding a qualified mechanic, even at dealers to do such work can be problematic. I can buy a lot of extra gasoline for $5000. Even at $1.30 a litre, gasoline is still relatively cheap in Canada compared to places like the UK.

0-60 times and top speeds are immaterial for how I use my vans. They rarely go above 60 km/h. That does matter is service costs and down time.

I do feel, however, that any poster here who wants Ford to bring in diesels commercial vehicles should feel free to buy one. I would like to see how they hold up over a ten year period. Presently, I can buy a one year old E350 and count on getting a good decade of service out of it before I spend any real money on it. Said vehicle might have two or three unscheduled stops in that decade. That's how good the Econoline is. That is what I, as a fleet operator, want.

I have had two Transit Connects for almost a year now. They are ideal urban commercial vehicles, good space, fuel consumption and very reliable. So far only regular stuff such as tires and brakes.

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2011, 07:01:29 pm »
 How about more rust resistant as well. At my place of work we have had many vans/pickups over the years whether it be ford,chev or dodge. They all tend to biodergrade [particularly in white]. I agree about the diesel thing. The motors may last longer but too much maintenance to keep them on the road.

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Re: Bye Bye Econoline
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2011, 07:04:14 pm »
How about a nice gas non-turbo 2.4 litre 4 with 150 bhp and lots of torque.   0-60 in 12 empty  or in 15 with a load should be enough  and an engine like that should be able to pull 100 on a flat road.  If you have to drive up the rockies/coastal range then I agree the V6.

No thank you. I have done the turbo and diesel thing and it isn't profitable. If a turbo packs up it is going to cost me $2000 to replace it (at least) and at least three days' down time which is more like $3000 more. Count on the same bill for an injector pump. Just dealing with an idle driver and the garage causes plenty of headaches. Finding a qualified mechanic, even at dealers to do such work can be problematic. I can buy a lot of extra gasoline for $5000. Even at $1.30 a litre, gasoline is still relatively cheap in Canada compared to places like the UK.

??? He said non turbo. ???

Also, I wonder how much torque you can reliably get from a 2.4 N/A gasser. What kind of tradeoffs must be made assuming that it must meet modern emissions standards and still get reasonably good fuel economy without costing the moon.

Is there some way to trade off low end torque for peak power? Longer stroke or something?
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