Author Topic: Focus ST, ST-R, and Euro ST Wagon (Read 1452 times)

dougjp · « **Reply #20 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:34:13 am »

Quote from: Cord on September 13, 2011, 04:58:38 pm

New Sport Steering System in the Focus ST:

http://youtu.be/LyUGttJEVFE

I think that's a significant improvement over most cars. I can't wait to test drive this one.

Cord · « **Reply #21 on:** September 14, 2011, 11:47:21 am »

Quote from: dougjp on September 14, 2011, 07:34:13 am

Quote from: Cord on September 13, 2011, 04:58:38 pm
New Sport Steering System in the Focus ST:

http://youtu.be/LyUGttJEVFE

I think that's a significant improvement over most cars. I can't wait to test drive this one.

Me too. Being able to do a U-turn without crossing hands sounds really cool. I'm also very interested to see how Ford's new Torque Steer Compensation system works. I've seen some comments on this board describing this system as reducing power or using braking. This is incorrect. The system uses the electric power assisted steering (EPAS) system to compensate for torque steer.

The ST also uses Advanced Torque Vectoring which uses braking on the inside wheel to reduce understeer during cornering. This system is independent of the torque compensation.

The stability control system will also have three modes plus off.

Lots of cool technologies in this car.

MKII · « **Reply #22 on:** September 14, 2011, 03:44:43 pm »

EU Focus ST spec sheet
http://frankfurt2011.fordmedia.eu/documents/FocusST/FordFocusST_Specs_EU.pdf

Have a listen to John McElroy interview Jost Capito. Mr Capito says some very interesting things about Fords future performance vehicles.

The interview begins at the 22.30 time mark on the video (lots of other interviews of other manufacturers mainly Audi)
http://www.autoline.tv/journal/?p=17744

Another video from the Frankfurt show (warning it is only Ford vehicles)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-BRLMlJDN8&feature=player_embedded

airbalancer · « **Reply #23 on:** September 14, 2011, 04:01:25 pm »

I rather have a F-150 then a Focus

mrthompson · « **Reply #24 on:** September 14, 2011, 04:02:14 pm »

^Old fart.

airbalancer · « **Reply #25 on:** September 14, 2011, 04:08:19 pm »

Sir Osis of Liver · « **Reply #26 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:58:43 pm »

Ice · « **Reply #27 on:** September 14, 2011, 08:30:24 pm »

Quote from: Cord on September 14, 2011, 11:47:21 am

Quote from: dougjp on September 14, 2011, 07:34:13 am
Quote from: Cord on September 13, 2011, 04:58:38 pm
New Sport Steering System in the Focus ST:

http://youtu.be/LyUGttJEVFE

I think that's a significant improvement over most cars. I can't wait to test drive this one.

Me too. Being able to do a U-turn without crossing hands sounds really cool. I'm also very interested to see how Ford's new Torque Steer Compensation system works. I've seen some comments on this board describing this system as reducing power or using braking. This is incorrect. The system uses the electric power assisted steering (EPAS) system to compensate for torque steer.

The ST also uses Advanced Torque Vectoring which uses braking on the inside wheel to reduce understeer during cornering. This system is independent of the torque compensation.

The stability control system will also have three modes plus off.

Lots of cool technologies in this car.

Very cool technologies... makes me wonder if any of this might come to the next gen Mustang. They are really talking up the next gen Mustang as being something very special whenever they mention it.

Turbo Bob · « **Reply #28 on:** September 17, 2011, 07:55:55 am »

Unfortunately the next Mustang will probably get more power and heavier than the current one. Seems to be a trend with the horsepower race.

2latecrew · « **Reply #29 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:01:09 am »

If they were to offer the ST Wagon at a reasonable price with a stick I would probably give them a deposit now if it would ensure they would sell it.

Pipe dream I know. High/er performance wagons with a stick is like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You can see them but they are always out of reach

Ice · « **Reply #30 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:13:59 pm »

Quote from: Turbo Bob on September 17, 2011, 07:55:55 am

Unfortunately the next Mustang will probably get more power and heavier than the current one. Seems to be a trend with the horsepower race.

Not sure exactly but from what I was reading not too long ago, the rumor mill (spurred by some official comments) is saying that the next Mustang would be slightly smaller and lighter weight.

dougjp · « **Reply #31 on:** May 01, 2012, 10:57:38 am »

This BWIA (not the Airline, "But Will It Arrive") car STILL doesn't seem to be on the near term horizon, however at least there's now some specific US information.

Pricing looks reasonably good and right at the market, in the US anyway. It should be priced like the GTi/GLi and MS3, however we will see if Ford Canada bungles it this time in terms of price.....

$:-\$ If they don't mess that up, I think they could sell a good number of these here.

http://www.fordstnation.com/images/misc/2013MY%20Focus%20ST%20PL315%20Price%20List.pdf

http://jalopnik.com/ford-focus-st/

http://fordstnation.com/top-stories/297-customer-prep-info-recieved-dealership-14.html#post1835

Fobroader · « **Reply #32 on:** May 01, 2012, 11:56:50 am »

I think a sporty little little car is cute and all, but where is the full fat, red meat RS500 or Cosworth model?!?!?!? I know having 300+ horses in a wrong wheel drive is wasteful, but Id love to be able to toy with STi and Evos on the highway.

dougjp · « **Reply #33 on:** May 16, 2012, 06:46:47 pm »

Just noticed here, they have a "starting from 29,999-" price on all the pics. What they are doing is pretty much matching the GTi and MazdaSpeed 3 pricing here. This means, because the GTi and MS3 are ALSO way overpriced here vs. the US, the Focus ST price is significantly higher than the US.

http://www.ford.ca/app/fo/en/future_vehicles.do

HOWEVER, the key thing on pricing, which should be apparent in the next day or so, is what versions of the ST we will get. If our base version is the same as in the US, then its horribly over priced, 26% more. On the other hand, there is some talk in the forums that the base version here will include some of the commonly demanded options in the US. That wouldn't surprise me, because its the same with the Mustang GT, where it closely resembles the higher priced premium version in the States, and not their base version.

Here's what it will sound like inside the car. it certainly surprised me for a turbo;

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AhBQ2ulIcok

dougjp · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2012, 11:10:58 am »

Complete specs and pricing for the Canadian version of the Focus ST. Do you think this information is on Ford Canada's site? NO, of course not! It took a guy going to a dealer, getting copies, scanning, creating a PDF and putting it on the internet to "get anything done" these days!

So, to give credit where credit is due, open the PDF at the bottom post of this link. Avoid the jpg's part way down, they are upside down and will waste your time saving and rotating images. The PDF is all pages together.

http://fordstnation.com/lets-talk-price-leasing-financing/504-canadian-starting-price-revealed-2.html

Pricing pretty much copies the GTi and MS3. The base Canadian version has heated leather Recaro seats and HIDs which are in option packages in the US. Still, the Canadian car is over $ 4k higher in direct comparison.

tpl · « **Reply #35 on:** May 23, 2012, 11:24:27 am »

The site insists you register so I'll wait until the pdf is posted somewhere else...like here

Cord · « **Reply #36 on:** May 23, 2012, 12:18:02 pm »

Focus ST $29999
Destination $Delivery $1500

Options

Tech Pkg $1000 (Sony Audio, MyFord Touch w/ 8" screen, Dual zone climate control, SiriusXM radio)
Navigation $700
Moonroof $1200
Tangerine Scream Tri-Coat paint $300

kevlar · « **Reply #37 on:** May 23, 2012, 04:23:53 pm »

This car looks great! Has anyone figured out why the car is 5 k more in Canada. Is it the old "because we can" marketing rule. Canadians are too polite to complain.

SaskSpecV · « **Reply #38 on:** May 23, 2012, 04:25:11 pm »

Thanks for the pricing info. It's more than I hoped - but pretty much what I thought - it would be. Maybe Ford Canada will offer incentives once the initial glow wears off? They've already piled them on the regular Focus, but if the ST is in limited supply maybe they won't have to do the same...

I assume the Focus ST will have the same monstrously large turning diameter as the Focus Titanium with 18" wheels (~ 40 feet). Too bad, I'd like a hot hatch to be nimble, and nothing is less nimble than a U-turn which becomes a 3-point turn... Not a deal-breaker, but very annoying.

dougjp · « **Reply #39 on:** May 23, 2012, 05:58:59 pm »

Quote from: SaskSpecV on May 23, 2012, 04:25:11 pm

Thanks for the pricing info. It's more than I hoped - but pretty much what I thought - it would be. Maybe Ford Canada will offer incentives once the initial glow wears off? They've already piled them on the regular Focus, but if the ST is in limited supply maybe they won't have to do the same...

I assume the Focus ST will have the same monstrously large turning diameter as the Focus Titanium with 18" wheels (~ 40 feet). Too bad, I'd like a hot hatch to be nimble, and nothing is less nimble than a U-turn which becomes a 3-point turn... Not a deal-breaker, but very annoying.

Confused by this, I did a check on Kelly Blue Book and it says a 2012 Focus Titanium has a turning radius of 36 feet vs. 35.1 ft. for my wife's 2006 Jetta which is, I suppose, normal (ie; it feels fine, and doesn't make wide turns). The Cruze has a turning radius of 36.4 ft., the Civic is 35.5 ft.

Perhaps I'll look stupid for asking this, but does changing to a different wheel on the same car without modifying anything else increase the turning radius, and if so, by a significant degree? I can't see how it would change, unless the tire rubs up against a fender stopping it from turning. Which would cause EXTREME tire wear!

Or was the Focus 'problem' mentioned above fixed some time ago?

In other words, can anyone verify what the current situation is?

EDIT: According to this copy of a US spec sheet, the turning radius IS large, 39.4 ft.

http://www.fordstnation.com/images/misc/2013_focus_st_specs2.jpg