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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2011, 09:34:49 am »
SOME PEOPLE believe in the urban myth of unreliable VWs
SOME VWs  have been/are unreliable

I am on my 3rd GTI with an A4 in between and they all have worked for me with no more than ( what I consider) the normal amount of faults and maintenance. ALL have been daily drivers used to commute. NONE have ever left me standing at the side of the road.    AND I have never caught the rear bulb out infection. 
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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2011, 09:44:53 am »
Did I miss the part where they talk about the extra costs for owning a diesel? All I saw was talk about the DSG tranny.

Diesels have unique service requirements including, but not limited to, checking and replacing the diesel particle filter, frequent fuel filter replacement and draining the water separator. Small diesel mechanics are in limited supply and parts expensive making service dealer dependent and generating hefty bills.

The VW TDI DSG transmission is proving unreliable and is unrepairable, replacement only at enormous cost. Jeopardizing the warranty by postponing or omitting its expensive service regimen or servicing it independently is unwise. One can reduce his exposure by opting for a manual transmission, impractical unless all household drivers are willing to row their own gears. A conventional automatic is not offered.

Roughly 35,000 kilometers per annum are required for fuel savings to balance the higher diesel vehicle acquisition and operating expense. At lower annual mileage a gasoline engine is the superior choice if life cycle economy is paramount.

Volkswagen oily bits come apart easily and the costs of repairing and replacing them are near extortionate. Interior pieces are flimsy and expensive. Some say VW customer care demonstrates a callousness not seen since the fall of the Third Reich.
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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2011, 10:37:44 am »
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The VW TDI DSG transmission is proving unreliable and is unrepairable, replacement only at enormous cost. Jeopardizing the warranty by postponing or omitting its expensive service regimen or servicing it at an independent shop is unwise.
Once every 64000 kms the DSG gets an oil and filter change.   From the stories in this forum, conventional automatics might benefit from such a regime.    The DSG service is about $400 at a dealer.

VW have replaced under warranty the electromechanical bits " mechatronic" in a large number of the DSGs and extended the warranty on them to 10 years.


GW you seem to have the same attitude to VWs as certain other posters had to Asian cars or to GM.

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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2011, 11:39:52 am »
GW you seem to have the same attitude to VWs as certain other posters had to Asian cars or to GM.

Curses, my hidden agenda has been revealed!

But, the thread concerns VW diesel vehicle life cycle costing, especially in a low annual mileage scenario. Is the TDI less costly all things considered than a similar gasoline engine vehicle? I don't think so.

The emotional ownership aspects are subjective and unquantifiable. Damn, I sound like Sheldon Cooper
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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2011, 11:59:40 am »
Never owned a VW, and I will admit a certain fondness for the GTi (don't know why, but those little things just look good) - but, aren't VW's notorious for their un-reliability in the first place?  Save maybe the diesels? (Mexican built (gas) vs German built (diesel), or am I wrong about that?) Why even look at anything but a diesel VW if you're looking at a diesel - but if you want gas, wouldn't you just shop elsewhere?  Aren't there just as many compelling rides out there with better records for longevity?  Just asking 'cause I don't really know.  You always read about how bad VW's are, but then again so is my POS a POS and it's got 400g+km on it without so much as a major hiccup.  Perhaps it comes down to the driver/owner more than the car.

As for the OP's annual km...why not buy a Vette, you drive so little (7600km a year?  Really?  Why even buy a car, just rent every now and then) it probably wouldn't cost you much more in fuel than a GTi or Diesel. (or a Porsche...a Bug with guts.  Even get AWD so you're set for winter.  Mmmmm...Porsche....)

My )GAS) GTI was built in Germany.
If you drive 8,000km per year how concerned should one be with "reliability"?
The DSG service interval is 64,000 km which is 8 years of driving for the OP.
My GTI in 52,000 km has had one warranty service for a failed AC switch and the recall for the DSG (which included a "free" fluid change.

I think I can get to 64,000 km without another incident ..so based on my experience the OP could get 8 years of driving with no real worries. ;D

There is no doubt that some models including SOME VW models are very bad. 04-07 Passats are terrible. The GTI has actually received good reliability ratings so far.

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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2011, 12:25:48 pm »
GW you seem to have the same attitude to VWs as certain other posters had to Asian cars or to GM.

Curses, my hidden agenda has been revealed!

But, the thread concerns VW diesel vehicle life cycle costing, especially in a low annual mileage scenario. Is the TDI less costly all things considered than a similar gasoline engine vehicle? I don't think so.

The emotional ownership aspects are subjective and unquantifiable. Damn, I sound like Sheldon Cooper
A small diesel OUGHT to be less expensive but I would have to agree that the NA emission controls for diesels do make it uneconomical... no particular thing just a few more bucks on everything...especially as you say, the lack of (small) diesel mechanics aprt form at the dealers.

Your hidden agenda was easy to discover.   Mine is that, apart from in high buck German cars, V8 engines should not be sold to the public anymore.. the power corrupts people who should be happy with a 4cyl. ;) :rofl2:

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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2011, 12:29:42 pm »
I love the VW TDIs, but it puts a smile on my face that this whole DSG shenanigans is not a gift from heaven after all. Stick shift all the way!!!!
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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2011, 01:06:20 pm »
SOME PEOPLE believe in the urban myth of unreliable VWs

I think many do. They even think BMWs are unreliable, yet in the four years I owned mine, it never left me stranded or needed a repair of any kind. The same thing is said about BMW motorcycles, yet the vast majority of round the world tours have been done on them from post war times to present.

I think its an owner thing. I've seen some people own different makes over the years and no matter what they drive, they always seem to have problems.
What you won't find in my car is a coffee, cigarette and a cell phone. What you will find is a driver; imagine that, a driver in a vehicle. What an effing concept!

A car has to do more than just perform; it has to stir your soul!

A true driver's car does not have cup holders.

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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2011, 01:13:26 pm »
Living with a VW Jetta TDI: Weighing diesel fuel economy benefits against eventual maintenance costs.

I see the report talking about a DSG and the costs. Not an issue since I will be buying a 6 speed.

Could be a lot worse...a Chrysler automatic...those just get replaced periodically.

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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2011, 03:48:09 pm »
We test drove both the TDI and the GTI recently and I was more impressed with the TDI than the GTI.

I guess the reason is the GTI was exepected to be sportier but the TDI was much better than I'd imagined.

I think the others have given excellent analysis with the pros and cons and I don't have any recent ownership experience to cnotribute.

We used to own a Jetta years and years ago. The car was excellent to drive when new.  However, a few years into the ownership, we started spending $1000 - $2000 per year for repairs.  That was a lot for a car that cost in the low $10,000s new.  And the car finally died at 140,000-160,000 kms?  That experience has soured our perception of VW.

I still love their designs and packaging and how nice they drive.  But not ready to own another until I see proof that they have improved the reliability.

By the way, has the heating improved in the new TDI?  I remember my boss always complainted her Beatle TDI (she has a gasoline version now) the car never wamed up and the windows were frosted even after driving from Orangeville to Guelph.


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Re: VW Golf TDI mileage
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2011, 05:02:33 pm »
I'm at 76K and just did a oil change, tire rotation, filter change, cabin filter (which I probably won't have replaced again), et all. Plus I had them lubricate the sunroof and inspect some other misc stuff since the comprehensive warranty is expiring shortly. Will look at the RO to see if the tranny fluid was changed and at what cost. I know the bill was rather steep at around $260 though, compared to the normal $105. Will share details later.
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