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Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« on: August 16, 2011, 07:03:26 pm »

I have a 2005 Chrysler Pacifica that was bought through a friend. The CM2000 Corrosion Module which cost around $2,000 was installed on it by the "Authorized Dealer" Dilawri Chrysler Hunt Club in Ottawa, ON when it was still brand new.

The module is promoted as prevents rust and in the event of rust, the company will warranty any rust issues and repair it.

Well, 3 years passed and Rust began to show on the tailgate of the vehicle. So we brought this matter up to the dealership whom supposed to have forwarded it to Final Coat. However, nothing happened over 2 years of complaining.

Then I took the matter more seriously as the rust began to dig deeper into the metal. I've finally got Final Coat to schedule someone to take a look at the car.

The surprise, Final Coat said they will not repair it because the Rust did not become a hole yet!!!! I asked for further clarification and they said the rust spot need to be physically visible as a hole to be considered covered under the warranty.

The warranty states, rust would be repaired if:

1. Sheet Metal corrosion damage as defined under the vehicle's manufacturer's new vehicle warranty, or
2. Rust perforation (home) from the outside in, even if the corrosion damage was originally caused by stone chips and scratches on the doors, quarter panels, rocker panels, wheel wells, hood lid, trunk lid, roof and floor boards.

Well, I got two quotes from reputable body shops and they both said this rust is considered preforation even it did not actually become a hole.

Final Coat is TOTAL SCAM. Not only the module does not work (which I strongly doubted it from the beginning) but also they will refuse to repair the rust.

The company goes by many names: Final Coat, Warranty Record Center, Canadian Auto Preservation Inc.

My Claim# 272304 if anyone wants to verify this case. Stay away from any rust modules and in particular from any dealership that sells their products. The sales person will try to convince you they do warranty repair but that is also a scam.

What do you recommend I do from here, I was thinking of going to court but legal costs may not be worth it.

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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 07:08:39 pm »
^^You could do this under small claims court I would guess.  IIRC the limit is $25,000 and this falls well under that.
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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 07:14:37 pm »
^^You could do this under small claims court I would guess.  IIRC the limit is $25,000 and this falls well under that.
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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2011, 12:18:30 am »
^^You could do this under small claims court I would guess.  IIRC the limit is $25,000 and this falls well under that.
Yes, an you represent yourself. The Judge usually sides with the John Q Public.
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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2011, 07:05:10 am »
Sorry to hear. Electronic "rustproofing" never works. They sell the same sort of thing at Canadian Tire which is called  CounterAct Electronic Rust Protection System.


I get mine sprayed yearly at Krown and I still don't have rust. It is messy though. Stay away from dealer rustproofing. Just pure profit for them.

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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2011, 12:00:01 pm »
Final Coat is TOTAL SCAM. Not only the module does not work (which I strongly doubted it from the beginning) but also they will refuse to repair the rust.

As are most things sold by dealers or on TV. $2000? Wow, that dealer must have been laughing...all the way to the bank.

If you doubted it to work, why did you go for it?


What do you recommend I do from here.

Get your next vehicle Krowned.
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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2011, 12:17:47 pm »
Poke finger through rust and now it is a hole?


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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2011, 07:18:35 pm »
Speed it up with salt water?

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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2011, 01:13:49 pm »

...Stay away from dealer rustproofing. Just pure profit for them...
 

That depends. We had our new Hyundai rustproofed at the dealer only after hearing the in-depth application they use with a wax-based formula, and the fact that it is a single application over the lifetime of the vehicle. Krown needs to be applied annually, and as you noted it can be messy.

This is the service that Hyundai uses:

http://www.firstcanadian.ca/chemical.htm#

They also have a 'guarantee'. As noted by the OP, this might not be worth much but it gives you some grounds for dispute if rust does appear.

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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2011, 02:23:47 pm »
We had our new Hyundai rustproofed at the dealer only after hearing the in-depth application they use with a wax-based formula, and the fact that it is a single application over the lifetime of the vehicle.

And you believed their sales pitch?   ???

I wouldn't want to "hear" about it; I'd sooner witness the application.

Krown needs to be applied annually.

One of the reasons why it is so effective.

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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2011, 05:24:13 pm »
..applied anally.................that's NOT rust it's bad hygiene............ :hide:
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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2011, 12:15:40 pm »
The CM2000 Corrosion Module which cost around $2,000 was installed on it by the "Authorized Dealer" Dilawri Chrysler Hunt Club in Ottawa, ON when it was still brand new.

Your problem here is twofold.

Firstly, Shiv Dilawri, his brother Kay and anyone related to them are a gang of schysters! Do a quick Google search on these guys, apart from a couple of "fluff" articles from the media and the BBB, complaints galore! I could spend hours telling stories of the stuff they pulled when I was a rep in Ottawa. Hell even their father & uncles  were involved in very questionable bankruptcy back in the 80's where massive amounts of cash & assets were flipped to friends and family members before hanging banks out to dry. Can't remember if anyone was ever found guilty of any misdoings. If you plan on purchasing a vehicle in Ottawa, avoid the Dilawri's (i.e. Bank Street anything, Ottawa Honda, KayDee Motors, etc.) like the plague.

Secondly, but most importantly NEVER, EVER BUY RUSTPROOFING PACKAGES OR DEVICES FROM DEALERSHIPS. Take it from a guy who was in dealerships as a salesman, leasing, F&I and sales manager and made a lot of money from them. They don't work. Dealerships make obscene margin on them, especially packages applied in house. All new cars are light years ahead of where they used to be on rust issues. If you must, get your car Krowned every year. It's economical and it works, period.

Your so-called warranty, likely worthless. Most of them have re-sale exclusion clauses, i.e. the warranty only applies to the purchasor of said warranty or inspection requirements that nobody ever does. I hope you didn't pay your friend any more money for the vehicle because of the device or it's professed warranty. Cars with rustproofing packages are worth no more than one without, trade/sale values are all about overall condition.

This is the service that Hyundai uses:

http://www.firstcanadian.ca/chemical.htm#

They also have a 'guarantee'. As noted by the OP, this might not be worth much but it gives you some grounds for dispute if rust does appear.

Totally incorrect. No automotive manufacturer in any way, shape or form endorses ANY aftermarket products. Dealers sell extended warranties, rustproofing, paint protection, stain guards, undercoating, insurance, nitrogen packages, etching etc because the profit margins are obscene. NO OTHER REASON!

Back when Hyundai's didn't come with radio's, it was preferable to install aftermarket units because they were far cheaper and better quality than what Hyundai offered. We had a local radio shop make up a nice display with a few options for customers in company colours and a Hyundai logo on it, both the DSM and the DPSM from Hyundai Canada freaked when they saw it. They had no control over us putting in aftermarket units instead of factory ones but the display had to be repainted and logos removed.

AND... one more thing based on this (hence my edit):

The warranty states, rust would be repaired if:

1. Sheet Metal corrosion damage as defined under the vehicle's manufacturer's new vehicle warranty, or
2. Rust perforation (home) from the outside in, even if the corrosion damage was originally caused by stone chips and scratches on the doors, quarter panels, rocker panels, wheel wells, hood lid, trunk lid, roof and floor boards.

Well, I got two quotes from reputable body shops and they both said this rust is considered preforation even it did not actually become a hole.

Doesn't matter what the body shop says, they aren't the ones paying.

New car rust warranties rarely account for surface rust. Quite litterally there has to be a hole before they will do anything. I also love how it's worded. Outside in coverage only, and no coverage other than what has already been defined by the manufacturer (Chrysler - 3 years???), the difference being time and if there is a company around long enough when it's time for a claim.

In conclusion it's a $2000 box that does nothing with a good for nothing warranty. The box probably has a couple of relays, a transformer and an LED light made in China for 5 bucks. Shiv Dilawri made off with your friend's shirt, their pants and 5 pairs of underwear from next week on that one. I repeat, I hope you didn't pay your friend any more money for the vehicle because of the device or it's professed warranty.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2011, 02:42:27 pm by richink »
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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2011, 05:19:08 pm »
So awesome and so true!

All Dilawri dealers feel slmey when u walk in lol

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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2011, 11:31:27 am »
So awesome and so true!

All Dilawri dealers feel slmey when u walk in lol

I agree. :laugh:

Had my own experience recently at Bank Street Kia.  No thanks!

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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2011, 05:05:23 pm »
Dealers sell extended warranties, rustproofing, paint protection, stain guards, undercoating, insurance, nitrogen packages, etching etc because the profit margins are obscene. NO OTHER REASON!

No kidding!

Why I've also always posted "NEVER, EVER BUY RUSTPROOFING PACKAGES OR DEVICES FROM DEALERSHIPS".

So tell me, how did we ever sell cars 20 years ago before we had admin fees. I'm being sarcastic, of course.  ;)

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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2011, 06:30:43 pm »
I bought my Mazda3 at a Dilawri franchise and never set foot in there again after delivery.
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Re: Stay away from Final Coat CM2000 rust modules
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2011, 06:59:27 pm »
So awesome and so true!

All Dilawri dealers feel slmey when u walk in lol

I agree. :laugh:

Had my own experience recently at Bank Street Kia.  No thanks!
I had a very expensive brake job done at Bank Street Hyundai (not super sure it was needed but that's another story).  When I went out to the parking lot to pick up the vehicle, I found out that the dealership had slapped a big "Dilawri" sticker on the hatch lid!  It's bad enough that they put those tacky license plate holders on your car but a sticker!  I'm still upset over that one.  I went back to the dealership the next day and of course they had no clue how the sticker got there.  Yeah, right.  They removed the sticker and to my satisfaction....meaning I told them before they removed the sticker that I would be looking very closely at the area around where the sticker was and if there was the slightest blemish there would be h3ll to pay.  I already chronicled another experience in this forum at the same dealership, where when I went to drive away in my recently serviced vehicle all manner of warning/idiot lights were blinking and the car was left dirty despite a lease return inspection scheduled for the next day.  No note, no nuthin'.  The service department had already buggered off for the day and left it to the poor receptionist to deal with.

That's enough to keep them and their family forever crossed off my Christmas list.
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2011, 07:03:28 pm »
I bought my Mazda3 at a Dilawri franchise and never set foot in there again after delivery.
Let me guess?  The one on Bank Street with the older dude with the cowboy hat and the "God's gift to customers" attitude and swagger that makes you think wilted searsucker suits and Herb Tarlick all rolled up in one?

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2011, 07:55:47 pm »
Nope
Unfortunately their network extends to Toronto as well...

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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2011, 04:18:02 pm »
Nope
Unfortunately their network extends to Toronto as well...
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