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2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« on: July 25, 2011, 06:22:06 pm »
Life with the Corolla has been very uneventful.  Exactly the way the missus likes it!  Some notes concerning our life with this car in the slightly over three years we've had it...

The good:

The paint is the best paint we've had on a car on a long time.  After two full and one partial Alberta winters, the front of the car is nearly chip free.  In about 1995, manufacturers starting using water based paints, and it seemed that they chipped with even a microscopic bit of dirt would contact them.  The Corolla's paint is very tough.  Only one small door ding too despite parking it pretty much anywhere.

The seats are comfy, for us.  This is subjective, of course, but I've driven the car some long days, and while they fall short of the various German cars we've owned, for $20K (taxes in!) the seats are well suited to my bony butt.

The fuel economy is shocking sometimes.  It's not difficult to dip into the 4's on the highway, and 125-135km/h cruising is still around 6 flat.  All city driving is typically in the low to mid 7's, with low 8's as bad as it gets.

The insurance for the car seems nearly free at $600/yr for $250dd all perils, compared to 2x that for my older, worth far less Forester.

Service costs are minimal.  We use synthetic oil, so that adds to the overall cost, but this car is super cheap to run.

The trunk is quite large for the segment and we've taken some ridiculous amounts of stuff on trips.

The A/C is COLD.  At 40C+ last summer, you could still turn the car into a freezer.  Nice.

The AT only has four speeds, but shifts nicely around town.  The car is very easy to drive smoothly, something the missus really appreciates.

The interior had some rattles, but the dealer solved them easily.  It's stayed tight since the fixes.

The cruise control is deadly accurate.

Headlamps are very good.

Ergos are good.  Big knobs for HVAC are great and a real radio knobs are nice.

With premium snows works well.  Despite no ESP, exhibits little or no trailing throttle oversteer.  Nice for the missus.

The Bad:

This is an uninspiring FWD car.  I'm not a fan of any of the segment, finding them all pretty tepid, but the Corolla has numb steering and slightly grabby brakes.

The windscreen cracks if you look at it.  Hell, it cracks if no one is looking.  It looks like it's been on the Alaska Highway.

The OE summer tires were fine, but wore quite quickly.  General purpose T-rated all seasons should last more than three summers.

The highway downshifts are more abrupt than I like.  Upshifts are super smooth, but the 4-3 shift could be more refined.

The automatic headlights wait until it's getting pretty dark.  I wish they could be adjusted.

The terrific fuel economy is mostly thanks to a combination of engine and aerodynamics.  Fine, but the rear visibility is not that great.  Better than some, but not the airy greenhouses of Corollas past.

The stereo is pretty lousy considering that even cheap cars come with decent systems now.  Also, asking $1800 plus install for a factory NAV is a joke.

The trunk hinges are exposed and will crush your stuff if you don't pay attention.  Huh?  In a 2009?

Overall:

This car is not aging all that well in the looks department.  We didn't buy it on style, but the newest offerings for some other makers are certainly more flashy.  But, it still sells well and the missus has no regrets as it is bulletproof and costs nearly nothing to own.  This is a sensible shoe car, and if that is what you're after, it is still worthy of consideration.  The smallish 15" wheels mean cheap tires.  The AT might only have four speeds, but is a proven unit that lasts a long time.  Insuring it is cheap.

The really tough paint was a nice surprise...
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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2011, 06:27:23 pm »
This is why the car continues to sell...people like your missus.  People who want dead reliable, cheap and economical.  Car enthusiasts need not apply (unless you use it for your work/winter beater).
How fast is my Supra?  I sh*t on Cessnas from a roll....

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2011, 09:26:59 pm »
This is why the car continues to sell...people like your missus.  People who want dead reliable, cheap and economical.
 ....

I agree....but not for the same reasons.

The reason they sell is that people BELIEVE what popular opinion is. There is nothing in his report that I couldn't report in my Protege5 or even in my mother in-law's 2006 Malibu.
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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2011, 09:39:04 pm »
Nice.  Thanks for the review.

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2011, 09:48:50 pm »
This is why the car continues to sell...people like your missus.  People who want dead reliable, cheap and economical.
 ....

I agree....but not for the same reasons.

The reason they sell is that people BELIEVE what popular opinion is. There is nothing in his report that I couldn't report in my Protege5 or even in my mother in-law's 2006 Malibu.

Well it's more than popular "opinion".  The Corolla has been beyond reliable.  That's truth, not opinion.  Parts are extremely cheap.  Again...fact, not opinion.  And the car is extremely frugal to run...both  to buy, on insurance and on gas.  And those are also facts.


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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 10:18:53 pm »

Well it's more than popular "opinion".  The Corolla has been beyond reliable.
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Many "facts" are just interpretation.  Recall that the world was flat at one time!  It was a popular opinion the late 70's that Japanese cars were scrap. It was also popular opinion that the Japanese couldn't build a car to compete head on with Mercedes.

My point is that there are lots of choices put there now that give you way more car than the Corolla. It will take a while for the masses to catch up.

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 10:23:44 pm »

Well it's more than popular "opinion".  The Corolla has been beyond reliable.
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Many "facts" are just interpretation.  Recall that the world was flat at one time!  It was a popular opinion the late 70's that Japanese cars were scrap. It was also popular opinion that the Japanese couldn't build a car to compete head on with Mercedes.

My point is that there are lots of choices put there now that give you way more car than the Corolla. It will take a while for the masses to catch up.

Oh..well there is NOW.  But even going back as early as a couple of years ago, that wasn't the case.  There were few cars that had the reliability and economy of a Corolla.
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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2011, 10:30:14 pm »

Oh..well there is NOW.  But even going back as early as a couple of years ago.....

This is why the car continues to sell...

So you meant that's why it continued to sell a couple of years ago?  :)

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2011, 10:57:14 pm »
Seriously, what's the problem with 15" tires?  Is it because other compacts have 16" or 17" tires?

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 10:58:38 pm »
It still continues to sell. There are more inspiring cars in the same class that now offer more features. Toyota will have to do their homework and make sure they stay in the game with the next Corolla if they want to capture the same large market they were able to before. But it does work well as a no frills car that even the drivers who hate driving can "enjoy".

My Corolla is about the same age but quite a different model and far less distance traveled. I've been meaning to write an review as well.

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2011, 11:00:13 pm »
Seriously, what's the problem with 15" tires?  Is it because other compacts have 16" or 17" tires?
The wheel wells are huge and it makes the car look kind of odd with tiny rims and tires. Like it's not well planted on the ground. The difference in looks between the 15in and the 17in is huge on the Corolla. Even the 16in look significantly better. Feels better driving them too. But not all people care about the looks OR the handling and 15in is nice and economical.

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2011, 11:10:41 pm »
It just seems odd to me that 15" tires would seem small, when ten years ago they were big.

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2011, 11:12:27 pm »
15in is nice and economical.

Yup.  We bought some nice Bridgestone H-rated tires for $90 each installed.

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2011, 11:53:21 pm »
15in is nice and economical.

Yup.  We bought some nice Bridgestone H-rated tires for $90 each installed.

That's the nice thing about 15" tires.  :)


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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2011, 10:27:30 am »
With fuel economy like that, why spend the extra $$$ on a Prius.  That's excellent!
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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2011, 10:41:48 am »
Great! Good to see you are happy with your car. Only 85,000km, it's barely broken in. I guess you have at least another 415,000km or so to go?

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2011, 12:51:09 pm »
This is why the car continues to sell...people like your missus.  People who want dead reliable, cheap and economical.
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I agree....but not for the same reasons.

The reason they sell is that people BELIEVE what popular opinion is. There is nothing in his report that I couldn't report in my Protege5 or even in my mother in-law's 2006 Malibu.

Well it's more than popular "opinion".  The Corolla has been beyond reliable.  That's truth, not opinion.  Parts are extremely cheap.  Again...fact, not opinion.  And the car is extremely frugal to run...both  to buy, on insurance and on gas.  And those are also facts.



And this is the EXACT reason I bought one for my wife, who loves it. I  love the cost of keeping it.

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2011, 02:24:55 pm »
My wife really enjoyed the way her Mercedes E-Class drove, but she didn't like the RWD in winter. Also people tended to drive very aggressively towards her in that car. She also hesitated in taking it to places like West Edmonton Mall. She wanted a cheap to operate FWD compact sedan that would just blend in. This forum is not populated with folks like that, so it can be hard for us to understand. The reality of the general populace is that many just want a reliable, inexpensive car. This has always been the mission of the Corolla.

Toyota understands this. Yes, it's time for the Corolla to come forward, but remember it's purpose when thinking about what the car should be.

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Re: 2009 Corolla at 85K and 3yrs 4mos
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2011, 04:23:55 pm »
With fuel economy like that, why spend the extra $$$ on a Prius.  That's excellent!

A Prius is not about saving money for most people, but you're right, the payback is a long time/lot of kms.  For city use, a Corolla can't compete.  Pruis owners we know see in the mid 4's, where we're in the low 7's in all city use.

My girls are in the Okanogon right now, and my wife, who drives mostly at the posted, averaged 4.9L/100km for the trip from Edmonton to Vernon, squeezing 47.0L in for 961km of travel.  Given the 50L tank, she did top it once on the trip, and filled it in Vernon.  A couple of summers ago I drove from Canmore (near Banff) to Vernon and back along the TC highway, and thanks to campers, etc, I pretty much drove the whole way at 90km/h, and recorded 4.8L/100km for the trip.

That seems to be the best possible highway fuel economy.  I suppose by "hypermiling" on low speed limit highways, you might do a bit better, but realistically, 4.8-5.0 is attainable if you are traveling at a pretty steady 90-100km/h.