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Buying First Car?
« on: June 29, 2011, 03:51:19 pm »
Hi

I'm looking at buying my first car and could use some advice. I've been mostly looking at used Toyotas and Civics and am wondering, as a rule, how old is too old? Is there a sweet range where there is still reliability and a significant price drop?
 
For example, if you had to make a choice between two used cars of the same make and model. The first car was 11 years old and sold for $3000 and the other was 3 years old and sold for $11,600. New, they both would have retailed around $18,000msrp. What would be the better deal?

Also I've compared prices using Lemon-Aid, vmrcanada.com and canadianblackbook.com. Which is the most realistic? Lemon-Aid  is often thousands less, even at the higher dealer price.

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Re: Buying First Car?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2011, 04:05:18 pm »
Depends on how much money you want to spend.  I typically buy 3-4 yr old used cars.  They generally have had a huge hit in depreciation, but have 10-12 years of life left.  I bought our 2001 Forester in 2004, paid about 1/2 the price it was new, and have put an additional 220,000kms on it without much effort/repairs. 

I could easily drive it for another 2-3 years, and the only reason I'm considering replacing it is that we're thinking about something one size larger.

But, that's not the cheapest way to drive.  The cheapest way to drive is to buy the 11 yr old car, drive it for 5 years and lose little or nothing on depreciation.  Lots of young people in my neighbourhood buy $2500 cars for university, etc, and drive them for 4-5 years and then sell them for $1500.  $1K for five years?  Hello, that's CHEAP!  Also, they tend to buy Civics/Corollas/Tercels/etc and don't even have to fix them during that time.  Those base cars are simple and cost little to drive.
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Re: Buying First Car?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2011, 04:54:52 pm »
Depends how good you are mechanically as well, or if you have access to a good mechanic. The better you are, the more sense the older cars make.

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Re: Buying First Car?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2011, 05:59:58 pm »
2006 Civic and up are pretty good bets with approx. 80-100K km.

As mentioned, if you are unable to effect most coomon repairs:  brakes, brake lines, rads, alternators, clutches, Ujoints, etc., there is no future in a $3,000 car.  A $5000 Yaris or Echo maybe.
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Re: Buying First Car?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 08:40:27 pm »
Thanks to everyone for their advice. My mechanical skills are limited to radiator replacement and welding exhaust systems back together, so it might be wisest to get something in the 6 year range.

I'm having some difficultly figuring out price guides. For example a 2005 Toyota Echo Base with 125K is listed at $4775-$6750 on vmrcanada, a $6200 blackbook average and Lemon-Aid $4,000-$3,500. What would be a good opening bid?


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Re: Buying First Car?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 08:59:08 pm »
Thanks to everyone for their advice. My mechanical skills are limited to radiator replacement and welding exhaust systems back together, so it might be wisest to get something in the 6 year range.


In those price and age ranges service and maintenance can mean a lot.  Many vehicle have some possibly expensive maintenance that should be done around the 160k mark.   Whether scheduled maintenance was done, and if the 160k service is done is something to be checked when shopping.

BTW, are you looking for anything in particular/fun or A to B and super reliable? Any other requirements?


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Re: Buying First Car?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 10:23:14 pm »
Thanks to everyone for their advice. My mechanical skills are limited to radiator replacement and welding exhaust systems back together, so it might be wisest to get something in the 6 year range.

I'm having some difficultly figuring out price guides. For example a 2005 Toyota Echo Base with 125K is listed at $4775-$6750 on vmrcanada, a $6200 blackbook average and Lemon-Aid $4,000-$3,500. What would be a good opening bid?

Study KIJIJI (all of Ontario) and within a very short time you will find the ACTUAL current market price for X vehicle. Private sales, providing they are legit, still reign supreme.  Have cash in hand and be ready to buy quick for the Toyotas and Hondas.

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Re: Buying First Car?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2011, 08:37:01 am »

BTW, are you looking for anything in particular/fun or A to B and super reliable? Any other requirements?



I'm just looking for basic transportation at the moment. I'm going to start going around to see what's available locally today. Thanks.

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Re: Buying First Car?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2011, 10:04:01 am »

BTW, are you looking for anything in particular/fun or A to B and super reliable? Any other requirements?



I'm just looking for basic transportation at the moment. I'm going to start going around to see what's available locally today. Thanks.

There is a local enthusiast forum, Limestonestreetscene.  Occasionally things pop up on it.

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http://limestonestreetscene.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=8982