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Reliable/Safe car under $4K - Candidates please!
« on: May 30, 2011, 01:36:42 pm »
Hi ladies and gents

I'm looking for a car for my gf who passed her G2 last year and really should practice driving on the road more for her G.
Unfortunately, she's unable to drive my car due to 5spd.

The reason I want to keep the car at around 4K is due to budget and also have to account for insurance.
She might have small scratches and nicks too while learning so it won't hurt as much afterwards...

Requirements:
4-cyl for gas
Auto trans
Sedan
ABS
compact to midsize(leaning towards the smaller ones)
Reliable
Safe(Of course relatively, since it won't have all the fancy 10 airbags and traction control)

She's likely to spend most of the time in city driving and around 25% on the highway to practice for her G test.

The car hopefully can last around 30-40k of driving and be able to sell back out onto the market once she gets more confident and passes her G.

I have considered the following:

1996-1997 Honda Accord
1998-2000 Toyota Camry
1998-2000 Acura EL

I didn't put in the corolla or the civic because a lot of them don't have ABS and I heard that civic insurance is relatively high, but not sure if it's the same case for girls.
The corolla in those years are generally quite small and seems not as safe as the above.

Is there any domestics choices too? Cavalier/Sunfire are extremely unsafe in crash tests.
Some of the GM 3.1/3.4L engine have gasket problems in those years.
I'm not familiar with Ford and Chrysler around those years. Neon wasn't very reliable.

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Re: Reliable/Safe car under $4K - Candidates please!
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2011, 02:48:20 pm »
With an under $4,000 budget condition is paramount, not car brand.

Stay away from dealers, especially the Buy Here, Pay Here (BHPH) variety. They're bottom feeders. You can't afford the nonsense, risk or their profit margin.

Jump on Kijiji in your area and look at private sales. Learn how to check out a used car. There are lots of Internet sites with good tips including this forum. If you see something worthwhile pull a history report and have a trusted mechanic look at it.

This video will get you started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAt0G5t9H5I

« Last Edit: May 30, 2011, 02:54:22 pm by Gardiner Westbound »
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Re: Reliable/Safe car under $4K - Candidates please!
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 02:57:20 pm »
With an under $4,000 budget condition is paramount, not car brand.

Stay away from dealers, especially the Buy Here, Pay Here (BHPH) variety. They're bottom feeders. You can't afford the nonsense, risk or their profit margin.

Jump on Kijiji in your area and look at private sales. Learn how to check out a used car. There are lots of Internet sites with good tips including this forum. If you see something worthwhile pull a history report and have a trusted mechanic look at it.


Thanks.

I understand with such a low budget, brand is not important.
I am looking for reliable and safe which some of the older Japanese cars seems to have an edge on.

I have been checking out on kijiji and private sale for such car, but I wanted to get more input of other models that I might not be aware of that are also very decent.

If it is something that I like, I will certainly bring it to my personal mechanic for a thorough checkup to see if there are trouble spots.

Please keep the inputs coming. Thanks all.

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Re: Reliable/Safe car under $4K - Candidates please!
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 04:17:30 pm »
Quote: "Unfortunately, she's unable to drive my car due to 5spd. "

Learn. If you can drive stick, spend a few hours (or days, lol) teaching her. It will be a 'bonding' experience for you, and will save you money in the long run.

Quote: "She might have small scratches and nicks too while learning so it won't hurt as much afterwards..."

Really? That's scary. If she is hitting things she shouldn't have a license. No offense but that's the whole point of driver's education - making sure you DON'T hit things.  ;)

We had a 1996 Toyota Camry LE 4-cylinder for a few years. It was in the family previously, and while it was the furthest thing from 'entertaining' to drive it never once had a mechanical issue or maintenance cost other than changing the oil. It was decent on gas, comfortable on the highway, safe and sturdy feeling. We sold ours for just over $2K, I'm sure you can find one in decent shape for under $4K.

Unless you are absolutely adamant, ABS isn't a reason NOT to buy a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla. Both of those cars are readily available within your budget and offer some of the lowest operation costs with cheap used or rebuilt parts available at any wrecking yard. Yes ABS is a great safety invention but by no means is it the only thing you have to be concerned about on a $4K used car.

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 04:19:24 pm »
With an under $4,000 budget condition is paramount, not car brand.

Stay away from dealers, especially the Buy Here, Pay Here (BHPH) variety. They're bottom feeders. You can't afford the nonsense, risk or their profit margin.

Jump on Kijiji in your area and look at private sales. Learn how to check out a used car. There are lots of Internet sites with good tips including this forum. If you see something worthwhile pull a history report and have a trusted mechanic look at it.

This video will get you started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAt0G5t9H5I

All good advice right there, couldn't have said it better myself.

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Re: Reliable/Safe car under $4K - Candidates please!
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 05:21:25 pm »
Hyundai Elentra, Ford Focus also fit into the budget. The top end models of Civic/Corolla does have ABS, and it is a good thing to have.

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 05:31:49 pm »
Quote: "Unfortunately, she's unable to drive my car due to 5spd. "

Learn. If you can drive stick, spend a few hours (or days, lol) teaching her. It will be a 'bonding' experience for you, and will save you money in the long run.

Quote: "She might have small scratches and nicks too while learning so it won't hurt as much afterwards..."

Really? That's scary. If she is hitting things she shouldn't have a license. No offense but that's the whole point of driver's education - making sure you DON'T hit things.  ;)

We had a 1996 Toyota Camry LE 4-cylinder for a few years. It was in the family previously, and while it was the furthest thing from 'entertaining' to drive it never once had a mechanical issue or maintenance cost other than changing the oil. It was decent on gas, comfortable on the highway, safe and sturdy feeling. We sold ours for just over $2K, I'm sure you can find one in decent shape for under $4K.

Unless you are absolutely adamant, ABS isn't a reason NOT to buy a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla. Both of those cars are readily available within your budget and offer some of the lowest operation costs with cheap used or rebuilt parts available at any wrecking yard. Yes ABS is a great safety invention but by no means is it the only thing you have to be concerned about on a $4K used car.


The 5spd issue will be addressed when she becomes more comfortable driving. Both of us agreed that she needs to concentrate on the road first and have less worry about drivetrain control. She usually pick on me whenever I get frustrated in traffic with manual  :rofl:

In terms of nicks and scratches. I'm more talking about underground parking where there are pillars on the sides. Hoping she doesn't rub against something that sort of thing. It's just part of learning process and depends on individuals...of course I hope nothing like that happens.

Civic and Corolla are both good cars. I understand that fully and just don't consider them as sturdy as the accord and camry for highway driving. Also, if she can get used to driving a slightly larger car than her instructors corolla and such. I think it'll help her a ton when it comes to driving any other cars.
I know I did, when I had to drive my family's oldsmobile 88 which was very fun to park in malls or get around tight spots as a new driver compared to friends driving civics and such.

I would prefer the car to have ABS at least for the learning process she knows how to utilize it in the winter time.

I will have a look at some of the 96ish camry on kijiji, but out of the 96 accord and camry. The accord seems bit smaller, but probably handles better too. Reliability wise, I am not sure.

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Re: Reliable/Safe car under $4K - Candidates please!
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 05:40:04 pm »
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Civic and Corolla are both good cars. I understand that fully and just don't consider them as sturdy as the accord and camry for highway driving.
Uh-oh  This sounds like a hangover of the old "you need a V8 to  drive on the highway" syndrome of years back. But I suggest that a Corolla and a Camry would both last equally well with highway driving... like 300,000kms at least.  As for the size issue well I must admit that I don't like driving big and wide cars.


ABS.  Useful but the first 100 years of automobiles we all got along without it. Winter driving and driving on slippery surfaces are skills best learnt imho on a skid pad without the electronic aids...why not treat her to the BMW driving school when she has her G.   And note that in the winter a bigger and heavier car takes more stopping.


I am generally with aaronk on the 5spd thing.  75% of the world manages to learn to drive and master a manual transmission at the same time. 
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Re: Reliable/Safe car under $4K - Candidates please!
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 05:44:54 pm »
Hyundai Elentra, Ford Focus also fit into the budget. The top end models of Civic/Corolla does have ABS, and it is a good thing to have.

I see that 2003 Elantra is going for 3-4K. Is that one of the better years?
I heard there were a lot of rust problem with them originally.
autoblog.com/2009/04/20/multiple-hyundai-recalls-for-brake-lamps-and-rust-issues-affect/

Any major mechanical problems with them?

I am not saying that a civic/corolla can't be driven on the highway. We had one in the family and it was fine.
I think it's just the sturdy feeling is a better suited. It's probably just as slow as civic and corolla on the highway, but the added weight provides a bit more assurance I guess. Not talking about a tank or anything.  :rofl2:

I also agree that people should know how to drive stick, it's just depends on the timing.
I'd like her to concentrate on driving well and get her G before thinking other things.

I'd rather treat myself to BMW driving school hahaha :rofl2:
« Last Edit: May 30, 2011, 05:48:50 pm by wing122 »

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Re: Reliable/Safe car under $4K - Candidates please!
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2011, 11:42:37 pm »
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I see a lot of these cars with rusts in the rear fender and the trunk area.

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 12:41:55 am »
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2011, 12:51:41 am »
Toyota Avalon or Lexus ES300 (V6s in these get good gas mileage)
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Re: Reliable/Safe car under $4K - Candidates please!
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2011, 12:52:33 am »
The last two suggestions are full size sedan which is a little too large.

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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2011, 12:53:19 am »
The last two suggestions are full size sedan which is a little too large.

Lexus ES300 is built on the Camry platform

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2011, 12:56:12 am »
The last two suggestions are full size sedan which is a little too large.

Lexus ES300 is built on the Camry platform

You're too quick.
I was only referring to avalon suggestion.
I know ES300 is based on the Camry. Does the V6 in that have sludge problems?

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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2011, 12:58:17 am »
The last two suggestions are full size sedan which is a little too large.

Lexus ES300 is built on the Camry platform

You're too quick.
I was only referring to avalon suggestion.
I know ES300 is based on the Camry. Does the V6 in that have sludge problems?

Only if you don't change your oil in a timely manner.

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2011, 07:36:00 am »
PT cruiser.......cheap and reliable............. :think:
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2011, 12:20:10 pm »
PT cruiser.......cheap and reliable............. :think:

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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2011, 01:57:46 pm »
How I flog my beater is a trade secret ;)..............Phil Bailey speaks highly of them in his garage site despite them sharing the Neon engine..they have proven sturdy,reliable with few and cheap fixes needed,,,perfect for scraping parking garage walls and pillars........ :D