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Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« on: February 10, 2011, 02:08:25 am »

CHICAGO (Reuters) - The first shots have already been fired in what could be an escalating "price war" between major automakers in the U.S. market, according to Hyundai Motor Co.'s top U.S. executive.

"I think we can officially say that a price war broke out in the industry," John Krafcik, CEO of Hyundai Motor America, said on the sidelines of the Chicago auto show. "There is apparently a lot of pressure to deliver sales results."

Increased discounting on new car sales would be a boon to consumers but could chip away at the profitability that many investors had projected for automakers at the start of the second year of a still-developing recovery in U.S. auto sales.

Krafcik said General Motors Co. had started the most recent round of price-cutting and was quickly matched by Toyota Motor Corp. this month.

"We'll see if others decide to follow," said Krafcik. "It's certainly not in our plan right now."

Until the start of the year, automakers had resisted the temptation to increase spending on rebates and low-rate financing to lure car buyers.

Many analysts had counted on that more disciplined approach to pricing holding during this upswing, especially after Detroit-based automakers used the industry's recent crisis to renegotiate labor deals, shutter plants and slash costs.

Aggressive consumer discounts have contributed to volatile boom-bust cycles for the industry over the past decade and eroded the resale value of vehicles, particularly from Detroit manufacturers, who have had to compete on price.

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"I would call this a step backward for the industry," said Krafcik. "This is short-term thinking in a long-term process that hurts manufacturers and consumers."

GM posted a market-leading sales gain of 23 percent in January after stepping up its spending on what it said were "targeted" sales incentives.

Barclay's Capital analyst Brian Johnson said in a Feb. 2 note that the GM incentive spending could represent "a dangerous first salvo" in "a broader price war."

Johnson said consumers would benefit from the discounts but the moves would risk profit growth for automakers, especially given the pressure from rising commodity costs.

GM's incentive spending rose 16 percent to an average discount of $3,663 in January, while Toyota's spending jumped 24 percent to $1,962, according to Autodata Corp.

GM's February discounts include consumer rebates of up to $4,000 on the 2011 Buick Lucerne and up to $2,500 on the Chevrolet Malibu sedan.

A GM spokesman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday.

Toyota is running a range of promotions, including low-cost lease options and interest rates as low as 1.9 percent on vehicles like the Highlander SUV in February.

Bob Carter, Toyota brand sales chief in the United States, said last week that incentives had increased to about two-thirds of the industry average for the Japanese automaker.

But Carter said Toyota would keep its incentives focused on areas like subsidized lease rates and low-interest loans. Those types of incentives will not hurt resale values like large cash rebates, he said.

Hyundai had sales growth of almost 24 percent in 2010, the fastest growth in the U.S. market by any of the major auto manufacturers.

Hyundai has said it expects to sell about 590,000 vehicles in the U.S. market in 2011, an increase of almost 10 percent from 2010. That sales increase would be in line with the expected overall industry average.

Krafcik cited an estimate that put Hyundai's average incentive spending near $1,200 in January, among the lowest in the industry.



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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2011, 05:42:58 am »
I wish it would spread to Canada! I'm not seeing any significant "cash purchase discounts" on any of the vehicles I've looked at. :(
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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2011, 08:49:42 am »
Those signals have been there for a while now.  Typically, I'm not typically in favour of incentives on anything.  However, I can see the argument that these can deliver long term benefits as it doesn't take much squinting to see that long-term loyalties in the American car marketplace are fragile...meaning there is marketshare to be gained more than I've ever seen before.

Toyota's issues....Honda questionable styling...Japanese currency challenges potentially limiting a response...Hyundai/Kia's strong product mix...Ford's resurgence...Chrysler/GM bankruptcy....domestics rising up the quality rankings....AND the US economy not doing well.
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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2011, 05:01:51 pm »
I can see why Hyundai would be upset. They have edged their prices up to be roughly comparable to those of more established manufacturers in an attempt to move their image away from being the Walmart of autos. Now they are being undercut.

I guess if you want to run with the big dogs, you need to prepare to get bitten...

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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2011, 06:02:25 pm »
Why does everyone see price wars as something negative. Be glad there's enough competition to have a price war. This only benefits you the consumer.

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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2011, 06:16:25 pm »
Why does everyone see price wars as something negative. Be glad there's enough competition to have a price war. This only benefits you the consumer.

Correct....it might benefit the consumer short term.

However, companies that don't make any money long-term don't pay any taxes...or wages...nor do they have $ to invest in new technologies.  They quickly bring down the economy.  We've seen automotive examples of this not all that long ago.

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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2011, 10:04:31 pm »
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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2011, 10:21:35 pm »
I can see why Hyundai would be upset. They have edged their prices up to be roughly comparable to those of more established manufacturers in an attempt to move their image away from being the Walmart of autos. Now they are being undercut.

I guess if you want to run with the big dogs, you need to prepare to get bitten...

What it tells me is the big dogs are getting old and losing their teeth (recovering from bankruptcy/ UA scare) and now to get moved in the numbers they previously enjoyed and not to lose the market share to VW and Koreans they have to do more to keep their consumer. That can be done by either improving the product, but is costly and takes long or by low balling the other car makers, which is easy but in the end screws everybody.
The good thing is Hyundai is in no danger if pulled into this war. It showed in the past recession it can play with the price tags all they wanted and still stay afloat, which could not be said about the other, especially unionized car makers.
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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2011, 10:44:20 pm »
@TopGun: They will make money, just not as much. I don't mind that, I'm not a shareholder.

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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 05:47:01 am »
Those signals have been there for a while now.  Typically, I'm not typically in favour of incentives on anything.  However, I can see the argument that these can deliver long term benefits as it doesn't take much squinting to see that long-term loyalties in the American car marketplace are fragile...meaning there is marketshare to be gained more than I've ever seen before.

Toyota's issues....Honda questionable styling...Japanese currency challenges potentially limiting a response...Hyundai/Kia's strong product mix...Ford's resurgence...Chrysler/GM bankruptcy....domestics rising up the quality rankings....AND the US economy not doing well.

I think long term loyalties are largely a thing of the past. I'm a prime example. In the last 14 years I've had four vehicles................all from different manufacturers.

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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 07:20:54 am »
Why does everyone see price wars as something negative. Be glad there's enough competition to have a price war. This only benefits you the consumer.

Normally I would agree but unfortuatley the citzens of Canada and US are not simply consuimers anymore they are "shareholders" of GM and Chrysler. Price wars and incentives are not a good thing in terms of having GM and Chrysler pay back all the moeny the taxpayer has invested in them. Price wars drive VOLUME not profit and driving volume is what resulted in the need for taxpayer investment in the first place.

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Re: Hyundai: Price war under way in US market
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 11:11:11 am »
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GM, Chrysler bonuses may reach 50 percent of pay
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2011, 04:45:47 pm »
Price war or not, looks like they are still making too much money:

By REUTERS, , Updated: February 10, 2011 9:16 PM
GM, Chrysler bonuses may reach 50 percent of pay: report
DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Co <GM.N> and Chrysler Group LLC could award some managers bonuses of up to 50 percent of their salary, Bloomberg reported on Thursday, citing three people familiar with the matter.

GM plans to pay 26,000 U.S. employees bonuses as high as 50 percent, Bloomberg reported. Most managers will receive bonuses between 15 percent to 20 percent of their annual salary.

Chrysler's bonuses for its 10,755 salaried workers will average about $10,000 and could be paid as soon as Friday. Some employees who are not subject to pay restrictions could net as much as half their salary, according to Bloomberg.

Ford Motor Co <F.N> is expected to pay bonuses equal to 10 percent or more of their base pay to some salaried staff, Bloomberg reported.

Chrysler declined to comment. GM and Ford could not be immediately reached for comment.


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