Topic: No electronic problem in Toyota cars

[Juke1]

No scientist would state that something could not happen.  They were unable to replicate the so-called problem and stated that the code errors that did occur were unlikely to lead to UA.  Despite your unyielding desire to find Toyota at fault with regards to UA, this report in no way concludes that they were at fault.  It's a clarification of the process and reinforces the fact that there continues to be no proof of cause based on design or manufacturing error.

No matter what auto makers do to prevent UA, it will happen because it is user error and an attempt to avoid blame.  Nissan models have been blamed even after throttle/brake exclusive systems have been installed.  It's easy to say "the fail-safe failed."  Cameras that view the pedals might be the only answer...

Despite your unyielding desire to find Toyota at fault with regards to UA

I posted this article word for word without any remark added, so dare I say "your unyielding desire to find Toyota innocent with regards to UA" oh...and always blame the driver
BTW this article was written by industry proffessionals from Embedded.com, a magazine we get at my workplace, no digging required on my part

[johngenx]

My remarks with regards to UA have never been brand specific, in that I fully believe that NO MAKE has engineering/manufacturing flaws that lead to the problem.  No, it is driver error regardless of make or model.

[Seafoam]

 Maybe Juke 1 can explain this for us. Oh and it's not a toyota.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/03/29/ns-nissan-acceleration.html

[rrocket]

Maybe Juke 1 can explain this for us. Oh and it's not a toyota.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/03/29/ns-nissan-acceleration.html

Driver error unless her video proves otherwise.  On a second note, I thought this was impossible to do on Nissan's because of the brake over ride??

[Seafoam]

Maybe Juke 1 can explain this for us. Oh and it's not a toyota.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/03/29/ns-nissan-acceleration.html

Driver error unless her video proves otherwise.  On a second note, I thought this was impossible to do on Nissan's because of the brake over ride??

Yeah the car is a manual as well. Just shows it's not always a toyota.

[articsteve]

First thing to do is run a credit history on this woman to see if she's broke and needs out of the payments. 

In typical hack journalism no mention of the engine size       I suspect it's the V6.

Nissan will probably buy her out of the vehicle and then resell it.

[CatsEye68]

First thing to do is run a credit history on this woman to see if she's broke and needs out of the payments. 

In typical hack journalism no mention of the engine size       I suspect it's the V6.

Nissan will probably buy her out of the vehicle and then resell it.

It's the 4-banger.

The video showed the engine at a rousing 2500rpm with no feet touching any pedals.

She was also able to video it at rest with the hood up happily revving away.

Fortunately she had enough presence of mind to use the clutch and slip it into neutral when it happened on the road.

Worst part of the deal is that the local dealer (O'Regans) refused to deal with her after a few visits and told her to talk to Nissan Canada. After the news reports aired they were singing a different tune.

[articsteve]

It's the 4-banger.

How so 

She was also able to video it at rest with the hood up happily revving away.

What video are you watching 

[bridgecity]

It's the 4-banger.

How so 

She was also able to video it at rest with the hood up happily revving away.

What video are you watching 

There's a video in the link at the top of the story.

[articsteve]

Ya, I've seen the video attached to the post.  Thanks though.  Is there another?

But I see no "hood up" in the video attached to the post.  Nor do I see evidence that it's the I4.

If I were Nissan I wouldn't look at the car until all the stock electronics are reinstalled in the vehicle.

[Seafoam]

Ya, I've seen the video attached to the post.  Thanks though.  Is there another?

But I see no "hood up" in the video attached to the post.  Nor do I see evidence that it's the I4.

If I were Nissan I wouldn't look at the car until all the stock electronics are reinstalled in the vehicle.

They already gave her a loaner. The rest of the news story aired last night.

[Mike]

Question; is it possible there is engine mapping to help rev the engine to save your synchro's/gears when changing gears?  Maybe she isn't used to a modern car or a modern manual?

In my Subaru:

• I put the clutch in, take it out of gear while slowing down for traffic, a light, stop sign, etc
• I put the shifter into first gear (in anticipation of leaving the stop soon) while still on the clutch
• Light changes, traffic moves or whatever causing me not to stop fully. So while slowing rolling, I give it a bit of gas to get the revs up before engaging first gear (letting the clutch out)
• My car will rev up to 2000-2500 and hold it there no matter what I do until I either engage the clutch, or shift back into neutral

 

[Seafoam]

Question; is it possible there is engine mapping to help rev the engine to save your synchro's/gears when changing gears?  Maybe she isn't used to a modern car or a modern manual?

In my Subaru:

• I put the clutch in, take it out of gear while slowing down for traffic, a light, stop sign, etc
• I put the shifter into first gear (in anticipation of leaving the stop soon) while still on the clutch
• Light changes, traffic moves or whatever causing me not to stop fully. So while slowing rolling, I give it a bit of gas to get the revs up before engaging first gear (letting the clutch out)
• My car will rev up to 2000-2500 and hold it there no matter what I do until I either engage the clutch, or shift back into neutral

 

From what i understand she was driving when it did it.She was also parked in neutral with parking brake on and revs still rose. weird

[dr_spock]

Gremlins in the idle speed control unit?

[articsteve]

Should throw a code.


If I were in charge I would require her to remove the Kenwood and the AMP, reinstall the OEM radio and then proceed to evaluate.

[rrocket]

Question; is it possible there is engine mapping to help rev the engine to save your synchro's/gears when changing gears?  Maybe she isn't used to a modern car or a modern manual?

In my Subaru:

• I put the clutch in, take it out of gear while slowing down for traffic, a light, stop sign, etc
• I put the shifter into first gear (in anticipation of leaving the stop soon) while still on the clutch
• Light changes, traffic moves or whatever causing me not to stop fully. So while slowing rolling, I give it a bit of gas to get the revs up before engaging first gear (letting the clutch out)
• My car will rev up to 2000-2500 and hold it there no matter what I do until I either engage the clutch, or shift back into neutral

 

That sounds like the hill holder behavior...

[Mike]

Question; is it possible there is engine mapping to help rev the engine to save your synchro's/gears when changing gears?  Maybe she isn't used to a modern car or a modern manual?

In my Subaru:

• I put the clutch in, take it out of gear while slowing down for traffic, a light, stop sign, etc
• I put the shifter into first gear (in anticipation of leaving the stop soon) while still on the clutch
• Light changes, traffic moves or whatever causing me not to stop fully. So while slowing rolling, I give it a bit of gas to get the revs up before engaging first gear (letting the clutch out)
• My car will rev up to 2000-2500 and hold it there no matter what I do until I either engage the clutch, or shift back into neutral

 

That sounds like the hill holder behavior...

No, that's separate.  The hill holder applies my rear brakes for 2 seconds after I release the brake pedal if I have the clutch and the transmission in gear.  Only works on moderate grades too.  Lot's of suby people hate it, I am used to it and like it.