Author Topic: No electronic problem in Toyota cars (Read 2403 times)

airbalancer · « **on:** February 08, 2011, 05:32:36 pm »

http://www.wheels.ca/article/asset/793720

The Transportation Department, which was assisted by engineers with NASA, said its 10-month study of Toyota vehicles concluded there was no electronic cause of unintended high-speed acceleration in Toyotas.

Why am I not surprise
It was a witch hunt from the being

Mike · « **Reply #1 on:** February 08, 2011, 06:43:46 pm »

Yeah, I read that earlier. So it is official that there were no electrical/engine management issues. It is determined to be mechanical only, sticking accelerator pedals and jammed floor mats.

It is very obvious who is at fault for the floor mats (driver) but I do not know much about the accelerator pedals. Was there a specific model or year associated with that? I would assume most issues were associated with the floor mats.

Juke1 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2011, 01:55:36 pm »

No electronic problems, good on them, fact remains UA is still an issue. No safeguards with the gas pedal

Besides all this how many vehicles have been recalled for safety and quality issues and others, way way to many.

rrocket · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2011, 02:09:04 pm »

Quote from: Juke1 on February 09, 2011, 01:55:36 pm

No electronic problems, good on them, fact remains UA is still an issue. No safeguards with the gas pedal Besides all this how many vehicles have been recalled for safety and quality issues and others, way way to many.

IIRC, only Nissan has safeguards.

EV Dan · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2011, 02:12:11 pm »

So it wasn't electronics. IIRC Toyota admitted they had two suppliers of the gas pedal assemblies, one in Japan and one in the US. While the US part looked more substantial from the published pictures, it seemed to get stuck. Throw the mats on top (as well as mentioned above lack of kill switch for when the brake is pressed) + easily panicking consumers and Toyota had it coming.

safristi · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2011, 02:23:59 pm »

I'm not intending to buy a Toyota.....quote " a witchunt from the Being!!!".

........so Wassup.......

...explains yerself....BIG FAT FOOTS on too near pedals...Mats fer shizzle....boring cars that lull U into suicide.......wot gives.....

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~~Nascar~~...~~Nasser~~ NASA says it is NOT so after lookin @ 76 cars and BIG TROMBONES............

Juke1 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2011, 03:03:06 pm »

Quote from: rrocket on February 09, 2011, 02:09:04 pm

Quote from: Juke1 on February 09, 2011, 01:55:36 pm
No electronic problems, good on them, fact remains UA is still an issue. No safeguards with the gas pedal Besides all this how many vehicles have been recalled for safety and quality issues and others, way way to many.

IIRC, only Nissan has safeguards.

huh huh...Nissan and many others. Why did Toyota take a shortcut? And how they turned the blunder into some marketing genius idea....the SMART thing!

If Toyotas sold for much less than others, then ok, but........

airbalancer · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2011, 03:27:43 pm »

Only morons need safeguards with the gas pedals

Really how can anyone do brake stands

I am amazed that everyone did not kill themselves in the past century drive those nanny free cars

Mike · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2011, 03:31:47 pm »

Quote from: airbalancer on February 09, 2011, 03:27:43 pm

Only morons need safeguards with the gas pedals

Really how can anyone do brake stands

I am amazed that everyone did not kill themselves in the past century drive those nanny free cars

Brake Stand FTW!

EV Dan · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2011, 03:40:26 pm »

Quote from: airbalancer on February 09, 2011, 03:27:43 pm

Only morons need safeguards with the gas pedals

Really how can anyone do brake stands

I am amazed that everyone did not kill themselves in the past century drive those nanny free cars

As much as I'm always in favour of keeping the cars clean, in their most pure form and sans different nannies, touch screens, dial knob menu controls and everything else that adds weight and makes cars more expensive to design and build, I can see no reason why Toyota couldn't include and electronic safeguard in case one of 100,000 gas pedals fails or gets pushed on together with a floor mat on top of it. It's not about the % of morons, it is more about making cars FOOL proof.

airbalancer · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2011, 04:34:45 pm »

That sounds like some jobs sites, need a hardness to go 3 steps on a 6 foot ladder

erich · « **Reply #11 on:** February 09, 2011, 04:46:25 pm »

You cannot make cars (or other devices) foolproof because fools are so ingenious...

safristi · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2011, 04:51:08 pm »

Quote from: airbalancer on February 09, 2011, 04:34:45 pm

That sounds like some jobs sites, need a hardness to go 3 steps on a 6 foot ladder

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I don't need a HARDNESS to corner an AMAZON woman onna ladder.....wait till she COMES down.......

......now three steps ...I'm UP TO THAT

johngenx · « **Reply #13 on:** February 09, 2011, 05:40:39 pm »

Quote from: erich on February 09, 2011, 04:46:25 pm

You cannot make cars (or other devices) foolproof because fools are so ingenious...

safristi · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2011, 05:53:22 pm »

so are rocks ....

dr_spock · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2011, 08:09:54 pm »

Quote from: rrocket on February 09, 2011, 02:09:04 pm

Quote from: Juke1 on February 09, 2011, 01:55:36 pm
No electronic problems, good on them, fact remains UA is still an issue. No safeguards with the gas pedal Besides all this how many vehicles have been recalled for safety and quality issues and others, way way to many.

IIRC, only Nissan has safeguards.

My old Nissan Altima had hooks to keep the floor mat from sliding forward. That was before they rusted off from the winter salt.

mmret · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2011, 08:13:40 pm »

Have the pedals actually be confirmed to be a really problematic issue or was it just a bone that Toyota tossed out in frustration?

I very much doubt the real failure rate on those pedals is statistically significant. Plus, brakes man.

Everyone with any sense knows its a witchhunt.

johngenx · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2011, 09:48:35 pm »

Quote from: mmret on February 09, 2011, 08:13:40 pm

Everyone with any sense knows its a witchhunt.

Well, haters, you know. As discussed, all brands have had varying rates of UA, some higher than Toyota. However, the now famous Lexus crash opened the floodgates of claims. Everyone moron driver now had an out for their stupidity.

As for the stupid no-brake-and-gas software override, it's sad that we need this.

jamie1 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2011, 12:10:16 am »

Quote from: rrocket on February 09, 2011, 02:09:04 pm

Quote from: Juke1 on February 09, 2011, 01:55:36 pm
No electronic problems, good on them, fact remains UA is still an issue. No safeguards with the gas pedal Besides all this how many vehicles have been recalled for safety and quality issues and others, way way to many.

IIRC, only Nissan has safeguards.

Chrysler has brake pedal over ride since they started using ETC.

tpl · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2011, 05:47:24 am »

I am not surprised that no fault could be found in the software.

One of the problems with this Toyota thing is that it has put back the introduction of Brake-by-Wire for years.
I was sorta hoping to be able to buy a car with a single lever, a side-stick controller, for everything before I am too old to drive.

I do think tho' that all these people who crashed because they perceived that their gas pedal had stuck open and were not able to steer into a nice soft ditch or crash barrier deserve their Darwin awards.