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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #100 on: January 27, 2011, 12:11:00 pm »
..what excatly is a "POSITIVE HERITAGE" these days..........pretty worthless...unless yer in the Upper PRICE ranges where the noveau rich will pay $4K fer a Nav and camera system 'cos thats wot the GERMANES!!! charge....................if the Merc,BMW and VW,Audi lil things keep FUTZING UP..............who needs that type of "minor" headache several times during ownership....and the inflated parts and service DANCE...............

   so VW tries  the tactic of  cheapening  the Jetta/Passat(wow thay will fix the gremlins!!!?) and everyone berates them...they are stuck between a ROCK HARD self adulation place and a HARD PLACE to SELL in a diminishing and poorer public markeplace......IMHO
THERE IS NO CURE FOR "LOTUS"......ONLY TREATMENT.....

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #101 on: January 27, 2011, 12:32:03 pm »
Ford actually used to advertise that their cars had " road hugging weight"

As opposed to other makes' "road-rattling tin"... :rofl2:

Agree!

The check's in the mail for these set-ups, thanks!

Unlike certain makes whose basic structure has been subject to excessive weight-loss and cutting of corners, resulting in an unrepairable feeling of lack of solidity a.k.a. "tinniness", you are showing things that are not only easily remedied but which in fact GM has already issued bulletins to dealers telling them how to alleviate the issue with simple repairs, and which are already dealt with on later vehicles coming off the assembly line.

Thanks for playing, and good night!

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #102 on: January 27, 2011, 12:37:08 pm »
Nah, Buick has no issues whatsoever!!!

Oh wait, they have an entire domain name for it.  http://www.buickproblems.com/

Thanks for pointing that out; I meant to do so myself but forgot. The chart shows quite nicely how current Buick models have a frequency of problems in the single digits, as compared to the now long out-of-production models from decades ago that are long past. Nice to see the high level of quality Buick is producing these days.

I checked on hyundaiproblems.com for similar stats, but unfortunately there do not seem to be enough of their vehicles from 10 years ago or longer still operating and on the road to make a statistically significant sample. :o

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #103 on: January 27, 2011, 12:51:32 pm »
..what excatly is a "POSITIVE HERITAGE" these days..........pretty worthless...unless yer in the Upper PRICE ranges where the noveau rich will pay $4K fer a Nav and camera system 'cos thats wot the GERMANES!!! charge....................if the Merc,BMW and VW,Audi lil things keep FUTZING UP..............who needs that type of "minor" headache several times during ownership....and the inflated parts and service DANCE...............

 

MB could be an example - they used to make great cars, then crappy and now they are making good cars again. People are going back to MB.

The same goes for Chevy, Ford and maybe others. They made good cars at one point or another in their history, then they made crappy cars for years. People buying them left for other brands, but once they start making good cars again, people may come back to the brand.
Hyundai never made truly good, remarkable cars until now. They never played a role in the global car industry, motorsports, etc. All Hyundai was known for until now was cheap transportation and nothing else.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #104 on: January 27, 2011, 01:06:06 pm »
My point is that the public perception changes slowly in the positive direction and fast towards negative. This is true for any car company; just look at GM and Toyota. Why some think Hyundai is any different is what I'm questioning here.
Hyundai's public perception has not been increasing slowly though, it has been increasing rapidly, as people are paying much more attention to reality, rather than heresay and misinformation.

some interesting reads, if you are curious:

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2010/09/24/497991.html
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/about-hyundai/news/Corporate_JDpower_Owner_retention_release-20101210.aspx
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/about-hyundai/news/Corporate_customer_loyalty_leader_topten-20101028.aspx

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #105 on: January 30, 2011, 01:07:56 am »
wow.. I am surprised that this Tucson cost close to 35k?!? what are they thinking? I thought Hyundai belongs to the 15-30k "value zone". And also with its cousin Kia Sportage 2.0T coming out in Canada at close to 37k? (according to autoblog). That is crazy when a base model starts around low 20k or something? Don't expect the 2.0T Tucson to cost lower than the Sportage!!

I know it does get tons of feature, but it is Hyundai though (true its perception is getting better, but as I said, it is still a value brand)

and when you look at the Top model Tiguan at 37,775 that gets you 2.0T, 4wd, leather, 2-zone climate control, auto-dimming interior mirrors, panoramic sunroof with power shades, soft touch dash plastics, and real premium features like memory seats and mirrors, rain sensor, electronic parking brake and autohold, power folding mirror, interior ambient light. You get audi-like features in the Tiguan and for that small difference to the Kia 2.0T, Tiguan is the deal!

I might be biased towards Tiguan since I owned one, but the way I looked at it is... when you spend 37k buying the Top model tiguan, you are buying audi features at vw price. whereas when you buy a hyundai/kia at 35k+, you are only buying the hyundai premium features.

I am sure there are lots more better competition out there, I am just using Tiguan as an example as I own one. But nevertheless, I think a 35k+ kia/hyundai is a joke! There are many more choices out there!!

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #106 on: January 30, 2011, 07:38:49 am »
I am just using Tiguan as an example as I own one

Can you fit a shopping bag behind the rear seat  in a TIGUAN?

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2011, 08:55:56 am »

Can you fit a shopping bag behind the rear seat  in a TIGUAN?

Tiguan  - 23.8 cu.ft.
Tucson - 25.7 cu.ft.

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #108 on: January 30, 2011, 04:21:28 pm »
I am just using Tiguan as an example as I own one

Can you fit a shopping bag behind the rear seat  in a TIGUAN?

Not to mention the rear seats slide forward...

and FYI, I was able to fit 3 big suitcases, and one carryon and 5 adult when I drove down to seattle for a flight to florida for a cruise vacation last summer!  The trunk is pretty generous in size because it does not have that 'sloping roof', I can fit the luggage in a 'standing position'. I did move the seats forward slightly on the way back cause we bought some other stuff, but that rear legroom is huge to begin with that moving the seats forward a little was definitely okay!  Mind you, these are luggages for 5 adult for a 7 day cruise!! You can actually fit more than you think! and that 2.0T handles great with 5 adults and full luggage!!! IMO, I don't think that is even possible on the Tucson, the trunk does not have enough height clearance due to the sloping roof!

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #109 on: January 31, 2011, 12:41:09 pm »
Think you guys are confusing "value" with "cheap". Hyundai is now a VALUE brand - not a CHEAP brand.

Also, VW doesn't compare to Hyundai in terms of reliability - though the Tiguan in particular is on par with the Tucson though predicted reliability is still significantly higher for the Tucson than the Tig. The Tig though does compete in a larger class according to CR.


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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #110 on: January 31, 2011, 12:56:44 pm »
Power is how fast you hit the wall... Torque is how far you take the wall with you!


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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #111 on: January 31, 2011, 05:39:21 pm »
Think you guys are confusing "value" with "cheap". Hyundai is now a VALUE brand - not a CHEAP brand.

Clearly it's no longer cheap, with $35K Tucsons and $29K Elantras. Unbelievable.

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Also, VW doesn't compare to Hyundai in terms of reliability

Whatever. The German/Euro car "feel" is far different from that of any Asian brand I have driven and I suspect the difference between the Tucson and the Tiguan continues that. I'd take the Euro every time if the money is anywhere close.

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #112 on: January 31, 2011, 08:13:52 pm »
Think you guys are confusing "value" with "cheap". Hyundai is now a VALUE brand - not a CHEAP brand.

Clearly it's no longer cheap, with $35K Tucsons and $29K Elantras. Unbelievable.

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Also, VW doesn't compare to Hyundai in terms of reliability

Whatever. The German/Euro car "feel" is far different from that of any Asian brand I have driven and I suspect the difference between the Tucson and the Tiguan continues that. I'd take the Euro every time if the money is anywhere close.
but the money isn't close...i already posted that earlier in this thread.

1. a loaded Tiguan is not "37,775", it is $42,700 (you can build one on vw.ca).

2. a loaded Elantra is not $29k, it is $24,700 for the top trim Elantra Limited w Nav...that is similar in price to other loaded cars in its category, but offers substantially more for your money...in fact, the loaded up Fiesta i drove a few months ago was $23k and change and wasn't anywhere near the "luxury" the Elantra offers for about $1200 more.

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #113 on: January 31, 2011, 11:19:04 pm »
Think you guys are confusing "value" with "cheap". Hyundai is now a VALUE brand - not a CHEAP brand.

Clearly it's no longer cheap, with $35K Tucsons and $29K Elantras. Unbelievable.

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Also, VW doesn't compare to Hyundai in terms of reliability

Whatever. The German/Euro car "feel" is far different from that of any Asian brand I have driven and I suspect the difference between the Tucson and the Tiguan continues that. I'd take the Euro every time if the money is anywhere close.
but the money isn't close...i already posted that earlier in this thread.

1. a loaded Tiguan is not "37,775", it is $42,700 (you can build one on vw.ca).

2. a loaded Elantra is not $29k, it is $24,700 for the top trim Elantra Limited w Nav...that is similar in price to other loaded cars in its category, but offers substantially more for your money...in fact, the loaded up Fiesta i drove a few months ago was $23k and change and wasn't anywhere near the "luxury" the Elantra offers for about $1200 more.
Fiesta should be more compared up against the Accent. We'll see what the new Accent gets priced at with the top trim in a few months I'm guessing. The Focus and the Elantra compare well pricing to features...except the very high end Focus goes up a bit higher with options than the Elantra does (so far in my comparisons).

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2011, 12:21:52 am »
Fiesta should be more compared up against the Accent. We'll see what the new Accent gets priced at with the top trim in a few months I'm guessing. The Focus and the Elantra compare well pricing to features...except the very high end Focus goes up a bit higher with options than the Elantra does (so far in my comparisons).
oh, i know the Fiesta and Accent are a better comparison in terms of "class" of cars, but the Fiesta i took out was over $23k...the loaded Elantra was $24,700...i haven't seen what the new 2012 Focus offers in terms of features, but i am curious what it offers above the loaded Elantra...the Elantra Limited w Nav already comes with every feature i can think of (except little things like rain sensing wipers or some other obscure feature)...Hyundai has said the new Accent is going to set the standard in the sub-compact segment as well...it will be the first sub compact to feature direct injection engines...it will also have 4 wheel disc brakes...all the safety features come standard in all trims...they also said pricing will be basically the same as the outgoing model (MSRP).

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #115 on: February 01, 2011, 08:55:57 pm »

but the money isn't close...i already posted that earlier in this thread.

1. a loaded Tiguan is not "37,775", it is $42,700 (you can build one on vw.ca).

2. a loaded Elantra is not $29k, it is $24,700 for the top trim Elantra Limited w Nav...that is similar in price to other loaded cars in its category, but offers substantially more for your money...in fact, the loaded up Fiesta i drove a few months ago was $23k and change and wasn't anywhere near the "luxury" the Elantra offers for about $1200 more.

remember, a "Loaded Tiguan" has adaptive xenon with corner light which is not even available on the Tuscon and adds the navi/backup camera.
Go to vw.ca and check, the Highline Tiguan without any add-on package is 37,775. And it has all the luxury features mentioned, which is definitely comparable to the Top line Tuscon. You can't always compare "loaded vs loaded" when features differ significantly. I think base Highline is best compared to the Top line Tuscon. Each has some advantages to its own, but price difference is slim.
Tucson has Navi/Backup Camera
Tiguan has power folding mirror, memory seats, rain sensor, 2.0T
So in this case 37775 is close to the price of the Tuscon (close to 35k) or maybe climbing up to 37-38k for the 2.0T.

Tips:Check the specs next time instead of just blindly adding all options and make a loaded vs loaded comparison, a "feature vs feature" comparison is what counts!

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #116 on: February 01, 2011, 09:15:36 pm »
If it's features that count, why is everyone saying I can't believe a Hyundai is over $30K?  Surely it should be judged solely on features/quality etc.? And I bet it will be more reliable than the VW.

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #117 on: February 03, 2011, 10:21:20 am »
remember, a "Loaded Tiguan" has adaptive xenon with corner light which is not even available on the Tuscon and adds the navi/backup camera.
Go to vw.ca and check, the Highline Tiguan without any add-on package is 37,775. And it has all the luxury features mentioned, which is definitely comparable to the Top line Tuscon. You can't always compare "loaded vs loaded" when features differ significantly. I think base Highline is best compared to the Top line Tuscon. Each has some advantages to its own, but price difference is slim.
Tucson has Navi/Backup Camera
Tiguan has power folding mirror, memory seats, rain sensor, 2.0T
So in this case 37775 is close to the price of the Tuscon (close to 35k) or maybe climbing up to 37-38k for the 2.0T.

Tips:Check the specs next time instead of just blindly adding all options and make a loaded vs loaded comparison, a "feature vs feature" comparison is what counts!
sure, there will be a couple of features here and there (possibly on either model) that aren't on the other, but for the most part, my point stands.

go to vw.ca and build the Tiguan (i have)...the "base" Highline model is $37,775, but that doesn't include Navi/backup camera/Premium Audio like the Top model Tuscon offers, so you have to add that, which is an extra $3225 (called the technology package)...let's leave the "Sport Package" off then, so the Xenon headlights, 18" wheels and silver trim is not included...that still puts the vehicle at$41k, or $843.23/month for 60 months...compare that with a similarly equipped Tuscon at $680.62/month for 60 months...that Tiguan, which is similarly equipped (yes, i know it has a bit more power), but it also ends up costing you just shy of $10k more...the total cost for the Tiguan is 50,593.80 vs $40837.20 for the Tuscon...keep in mind, the price gap will get much higher with 72 months payment as VW's interest rate jumps to 8.1% compared to Hyundai's very reasonable 1.9%...in the 60 month examples, VW is 1.9% and Hyundai is 0%, so they are similar in that respect...and in the VW example, i didn't add the sport package, so the sport suspension, bi-xenon headlights etc are NOT included in this comparison...both vehicles offer the usual leather, navi, premium audio, back-up camera, AWD with the power in VW's advantage slightly (although, the 2.0T also requires premium fuel, increasing the cost of ownership as well)...look, i am not knocking the Tiguan, i like that vehicle, but for someone to criticize "a $35k Tuscon" simply shows they really don't know how good a value it truly is.

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #118 on: February 04, 2011, 01:49:27 am »
sure, there will be a couple of features here and there (possibly on either model) that aren't on the other, but for the most part, my point stands.

go to vw.ca and build the Tiguan (i have)...the "base" Highline model is $37,775, but that doesn't include Navi/backup camera/Premium Audio like the Top model Tuscon offers, so you have to add that, which is an extra $3225 (called the technology package)...let's leave the "Sport Package" off then, so the Xenon headlights, 18" wheels and silver trim is not included...that still puts the vehicle at$41k, or $843.23/month for 60 months...compare that with a similarly equipped Tuscon at $680.62/month for 60 months...that Tiguan, which is similarly equipped (yes, i know it has a bit more power), but it also ends up costing you just shy of $10k more...the total cost for the Tiguan is 50,593.80 vs $40837.20 for the Tuscon...keep in mind, the price gap will get much higher with 72 months payment as VW's interest rate jumps to 8.1% compared to Hyundai's very reasonable 1.9%...in the 60 month examples, VW is 1.9% and Hyundai is 0%, so they are similar in that respect...and in the VW example, i didn't add the sport package, so the sport suspension, bi-xenon headlights etc are NOT included in this comparison...both vehicles offer the usual leather, navi, premium audio, back-up camera, AWD with the power in VW's advantage slightly (although, the 2.0T also requires premium fuel, increasing the cost of ownership as well)...look, i am not knocking the Tiguan, i like that vehicle, but for someone to criticize "a $35k Tuscon" simply shows they really don't know how good a value it truly is.

Yes, it is 10k difference IF you look at FINANCE, and that is FINANCE ONLY because Hyundai offers 0% interest. what if it is LEASE (which, in fact is very popular among car buyers).

VW Tiguan Highline w/ Tech package
MSRP with Frieght: $42,580
Lease with $0 down and 48 months (20k km/year) : $562.14 w/o tax
Total cost for 4 years: $26982.72

Hyundai Tucson Limited w/ Navi
MSRP with Freight: $36,009
Lease with $0 down and 48 months (20k km/year) : $531.95 w/o tax
Total cost for 4 years: $25533.60

Hmm let's see, leasing for 4 years, $1449.12 difference. And remember, there is a big lease market here in Canada. And when you come to think about it, $30 more a month gets you a Loaded Tiguan compared to the Tucson (which according to another poster, Tiguan also is considered to be a larger class than the Tucson).

See, you made it sound like a BIG difference is because Hyundai offers 0% finance, the 10k difference is due mainly to the interest you have to pay with VW(which you selected 60months, with the highest possible interest with the VW). As to why is there such a small difference in leasing. Well, cause Hyundai has low residual value. That also means low resale value for buyers when they want to sell their cars . So, IMO if you finance, Go with Hyundai. If you lease, I would definitely look at VW Tiguan.

And yes, cash purchase price Tiguan is $40k+ for Navi model, but remember, that model has a LOT more than the Tucson. Is there a Tucson with memory seats? NO. Electric folding mirror with 'curb view'? NO. Rain sensor? NO. Soft touch? NO. Ambient lighting? Electronic Park Brake? NO. NO. The "Euro feel"(subjective)? NO.
I also have the Audi A4 Premium, and it also has exact same features as the Tiguan, actually the Tiguan has more features.

And no offence, but that leather seats in the Tucson is no where near the quality of the VW ones, the leather in the Genesis coupe is nice, but that's a different story. Next time if you go car shopping, look at those welding spots on door/window frame of the Hyundai, and then go look at VW with their single piece door frame. Look at the B-Pillar thickness, look at the headliner, look at the interior plastic. I can tell you most people will say all those nicer stuff in the VW is worth the extra $30/month lease. If you finance, yes it might not worth the 10k, but for people who lease or cash, they might realize the true value of the Tiguan with the minimal price difference.

FYI, I paid 38k plus tax for Highline Tiguan with Sport package (which includes adaptive xenon, 18", and aluminum roof rail). There are just so many features on the Tiguan that is not available even on the loaded Tucson. As to 38k Tiguan (w/quality material and high end features similar to the Audi class + leather) or 35k Tucson (for just leather/navi + standard features similar to the 24k Tucson), and especially when leasing only cost $30/month more. Is Tucson really the value? I wonder...

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Re: 2011 Hyundai Tucson Limited; Day 1
« Reply #119 on: February 04, 2011, 01:57:44 am »
^^Depends how much reliability means to you.  The Tiguan reliability is worse than average. 
How fast is my Supra?  I sh*t on Cessnas from a roll....