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Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« on: November 23, 2010, 12:58:17 pm »
I'm sure I have to be the 1000th person to complain about fake-HID's, but it seems to be a growing trend and I notice it more now that my drive home is dark. There is a growing number of vehicles, even late-model cars and trucks, that are outfitted with the ridiculous "9000K HID bulbs" from China that people are getting on eBay or wherever. These aren't Silverstars or the upgraded bulbs from Canadian Tire - I have used those in the past and stood outside my vehicle to gauge their colour and brightness, and adjusted them properly to make sure the beam was inoffensive.

Production HID lights are almost always projector-beam style with a sharp cutoff and I almost never find them offending, even with their bright blue colour. But when these aftermarket bulbs are installed in a housing designed for a halogen bulb, the bright white/blue light splashes all over the place and it is nearly blinding in some applications. Of course it's not enough to install them just in the headlights, some of these wannabe-ballers install them in the fogs and drive with them on all the time too. The most frustrating thing is that I can see from the beam pattern that there is no more actual useful light hitting the road than if they had regular halogens, it just tints everything blue.

I wouldn't care if it didn't blind me - do what you want to your car - but if I can't see because of your LOW BEAMS I have an issue. If you are one of these people that wish you had bought a car with real HIDs but instead sourced them for $5 from China, expect a return of high beams when I pass you on the road. Be sensible and courteous, there's a lot of distractions on our roads today, you don't need to blind every car you pass in order that you can look like you've bought a more expensive car.

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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2010, 01:10:16 pm »
I agree.  First thing I did when I installed my HID's was point my headlights way down.  Too far down in fact and I couldn't see more then 10 feet in front of me  :rofl:  I since corrcted them and have never been highbeamed, except when I once had 600lbs of Ikea warddrobe hanging out of my hatch causing my ass to sag and my nose to point into the air.

I do have projector beam headlights from the factory though, but it is still not the same cut off as regular HID's hence my adjustment.

I don't get HIDs in regular headlights.  Not only is it blinding, it doesn't look good.
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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2010, 01:38:15 pm »
I put HIDs in my Mazda 5 projector headlamps, they're pretty good, but there's still a tiny bit of glare being a non HID headlamp but the cutoff is still very good.

Cars that have HIDs in reflector headlights include the Acura CSX, two generations ago Acura TL, previous gen Infiniti G, previous gen Nissan Maxima, previous gen Prius, Lincoln Navigator... In Asia, they have special HID reflector housings for the Corolla which I wanted to get for my Corolla but they were $900, but they won't blind oncoming traffic either.
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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2010, 03:46:30 pm »
I put HIDs in my Mazda 5 projector headlamps, they're pretty good, but there's still a tiny bit of glare being a non HID headlamp but the cutoff is still very good.

Cars that have HIDs in reflector headlights include the Acura CSX, two generations ago Acura TL, previous gen Infiniti G, previous gen Nissan Maxima, previous gen Prius, Lincoln Navigator... In Asia, they have special HID reflector housings for the Corolla which I wanted to get for my Corolla but they were $900, but they won't blind oncoming traffic either.

Ya but are your HID's 'real', like did you have to install a ballast and wiring or did you just put in some eBay bulbs that say "True HID"?

Some good points about reflector-equipped HID cars, but I was generalizing with the projector beam. Our Santa Fe has projector halogens (non-HID) and we get flashed sometimes too - the beam has a sharp cutoff but if you catch the oncoming car going up a hill it is very bright. Regardless, I suppose this is an issue of both inappropriate choice of aftermarket lights in conjunction with poor aiming. I'm sure there are guys out there that have their aftermarket lights set up properly, I just have a beef with all those who couldn't care enough to spend the time in adjusting or shopping properly.

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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 07:17:02 pm »
I put HIDs in my Mazda 5 projector headlamps, they're pretty good, but there's still a tiny bit of glare being a non HID headlamp but the cutoff is still very good.

Cars that have HIDs in reflector headlights include the Acura CSX, two generations ago Acura TL, previous gen Infiniti G, previous gen Nissan Maxima, previous gen Prius, Lincoln Navigator... In Asia, they have special HID reflector housings for the Corolla which I wanted to get for my Corolla but they were $900, but they won't blind oncoming traffic either.

Ya but are your HID's 'real', like did you have to install a ballast and wiring or did you just put in some eBay bulbs that say "True HID"?

Some good points about reflector-equipped HID cars, but I was generalizing with the projector beam. Our Santa Fe has projector halogens (non-HID) and we get flashed sometimes too - the beam has a sharp cutoff but if you catch the oncoming car going up a hill it is very bright. Regardless, I suppose this is an issue of both inappropriate choice of aftermarket lights in conjunction with poor aiming. I'm sure there are guys out there that have their aftermarket lights set up properly, I just have a beef with all those who couldn't care enough to spend the time in adjusting or shopping properly.

yeah, my EBAY HID's were the real deal with a ballast.  Some of the ones blinding you on the road are the same, they just lack the proper reflectors and aiming.

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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2010, 07:20:29 pm »
Ok...so the guy with the fake HIDs may be breaking the law by having those installed improperly.  But you're also breaking the law by flashing him with your brights.  So instead of just having one moron goofing off with his lights, we now have two.  Brilliant.   ::)
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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2010, 07:40:29 pm »
Ok...so the guy with the fake HIDs may be breaking the law by having those installed improperly.  But you're also breaking the law by flashing him with your brights.  So instead of just having one moron goofing off with his lights, we now have two.  Brilliant.   ::)

But if we don't flash back how are we supposed to let them know we are angry with their poor decision? ;D

Seriously, how can one try and ensure the rules of the road are followed between us motorists when there are so many morons blinding rule-abiding motorists

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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2010, 07:53:42 pm »
So you have one guy on a road who's blinded.  So let's imporve the situation by blinding ANOTHER motorist.  I just don't get it....

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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 09:18:21 am »
So you have one guy on a road who's blinded.  So let's imporve the situation by blinding ANOTHER motorist.  I just don't get it....

No, there isn't just one person on the road who's blinded, almost every person that one inconsiderate driver passes is blinded, which could be hundreds of motorists a day and for no good reason other than ignorance. A simple gesture of flashing one's lights is a much more innocent activity than tailgating, cutting people off, or the near-collisions that happen as a result of people road-raging over other inappropriate road manners. I've seen a driver threaten to smash another car off the road because they pulled from a closing onramp into the slow lane on a highway - I would think flashing one's brights to be pretty civilized, considering...

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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2010, 10:12:05 am »
I have HID bulbs with ballasts... but these kits are more of a problem than HID look halogen bulbs which are often dimmer than regular halogen bulbs. When you put real HID bulbs into halogen reflector headlamp enclosures, what you get is a super bright light that's uncontrolled and scatters everywhere. This is the real problem, not fake HID look halogen bulbs.

It's not as much of a problem with halogen projector enclosures like on my 5 but I still aim it a bit lower. I've never been flashed.

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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2010, 08:30:10 am »
"Fake HID" are the blue coated halogen bulbs.

Real HID has wiring, harness, ballasts and the bulbs have no filaments. You must be referring to those using HID in halogen housings.

Note that several cars come with HID in halogen housings that are for HID such as a 2001 Lexus IS 300, Nissan Maxima, Acura 3.2 TL, etc.

I'm one of those who wanted HID back in 2003 but Pontiac didn't offer it. A few years ago I put in HID with hi/low and projectors. The beam pattern is straight with no light scatter and I've never been flashed.


BTW - The worst offenders for this are pick-ups/SUV's. Anybody else notice tow trucks are now using them?? They burn out my retina when behind me and that's when my car has tint at 20% on the rear! (very dark tints).

Do it properly or don't do it at all.
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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2010, 11:13:26 am »
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BTW - The worst offenders for this are pick-ups/SUV's. Anybody else notice tow trucks are now using them?? They burn out my retina when behind me and that's when my car has tint at 20% on the rear! (very dark tints).

Do it properly or don't do it at all.


Tow trucks are the worst offenders I've come across so far - on my drive home I typically pass a couple of trucks that must have aftermarket HID's in the headlights AND fog lights, as all 4 are blindingly bright, aimed far too high and into oncoming windshields. Maybe its a sales tactic, if they can blind people off the road they can turn around, pick them up, and charge them an exorbitant amount of money to tow them to a 'safe yard'.

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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2010, 03:39:25 pm »
So you have one guy on a road who's blinded.  So let's improve the situation by blinding ANOTHER motorist.  I just don't get it....

Simple, you have standards instead of all the bling/farkle/crap that is being allowed to be sold, be it headlights, wheels that stick out way past the fenders, or what have you. Just like the a-holes that paint their taillight lenses smoke-black or put smoked covers over their headlights. Mind you, they are probably the same group that puts coloured lights under their rocker panels with intensity that varies based on their speaker output. The only thing that is missing is a personalized plate that says "I have no taste".  :rofl:   :rofl2:
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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2010, 01:47:59 am »
I gotta say, the improper HID jobs all over the place are really starting to bother me.

Put one of those horrible cars next to a proper OEM HID and the difference is startling. And blinding.
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Re: Fake HIDs - expect me to blind you back...
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 08:31:52 pm »
I gotta say, the improper HID jobs all over the place are really starting to bother me.

Put one of those horrible cars next to a proper OEM HID and the difference is startling. And blinding.

And not all manufacturer's headlight assemblies are created equal. You get what you pay for depending on the car you buy.

You'd think they'd all be top notch, considering how important good lighting is.