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Right Lane Lunacy
« on: September 24, 2010, 02:20:32 pm »
The previous thread on 'Left Lane Lunacy' was about drivers in the left lane, my problem is with drivers in the right lane in situations where it is safer for them to move out of the right lane.

In the city we all experience everyday where there is a driver sitting in the right lane at a red light with ten cars behind him wanting to turn right but unable to do so because of this one car.

On the highway, if there is too much traffic in the right lane for one to maintain a safe gap from the cars in front and behind, then GET OUT of the right lane.

If you are coming up next to an on-ramp with lots af cars coming in, then GET OUT of the right lane if you do not want to be slowed down. There is no point in fuming at having to brake because you should not be in the right lane at that point.

IMO right lane lunacy is a bigger problem than left lane lunacy.

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 02:24:07 pm »
"In the city we all experience everyday where there is a driver sitting in the right lane at a red light with ten cars behind him wanting to turn right but unable to do so because of this one car."

Gotta disagree. If I were in the left lane you'd probably complain about left lane lunacy, so it's a lose-lose situation. Besides, there are many valid reasons for being in the right lane - maybe I'm turning right at the next lights, or I just turned right onto this road. It's not about making YOUR life easier, it's about making OUR lives safer.

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 02:27:44 pm »
On the highway, if there is too much traffic in the right lane for one to maintain a safe gap from the cars in front and behind, then GET OUT of the right lane.

Uh? YOU control the gap between you and the car in front of you.

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2010, 02:36:33 pm »
"Uh? YOU control the gap between you and the car in front of you."


Not when the traffic is so heavy in the lane that as soon as you leave some gap in front, some idiot cuts in.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2010, 02:39:04 pm by george »

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 02:40:11 pm »
Not when the traffic is so heavy in the lane that as soon as you leave some gap in front, some idiot cuts in.

So your solution is to speed up and tailgate the guy in front?

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2010, 03:05:27 pm »
Whatever gave you the idea that my solution was to tailgate?

Tailgating is NEVER the answer. I never tailgate. The majority of drivers do not leave enough of a gap in front and reminds me of lemmings in their behaviour. Of course, when something unexpected happens, they all pile into one another, the idiots.

My solution is to move over into a less busy lane.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2010, 03:11:46 pm by george »

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 03:21:15 pm »
No place I'd rather be...

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2010, 03:38:34 pm »
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If you are coming up next to an on-ramp with lots af cars coming in, then GET OUT of the right lane if you do not want to be slowed down. There is no point in fuming at having to brake because you should not be in the right lane at that point.
It is, I suppose, polite to move over and if the merging traffic is acceleration limited like an 18 wheeler or a car towing something then its a good idea.

In the general case I think that one should hold ones speed and allow the merging vehicles to get up to speed in front or behind.  On a busy road certainly one should avoid unnecessary lane changes.  If the merging vehicles insist on merging at 20 km/h less than the speed limit... Corolla and Camry drivers... then let them drive on the shoulder or into the ditch.
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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2010, 04:06:18 pm »
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If you are coming up next to an on-ramp with lots af cars coming in, then GET OUT of the right lane if you do not want to be slowed down. There is no point in fuming at having to brake because you should not be in the right lane at that point.
It is, I suppose, polite to move over and if the merging traffic is acceleration limited like an 18 wheeler or a car towing something then its a good idea.

In the general case I think that one should hold ones speed and allow the merging vehicles to get up to speed in front or behind.  On a busy road certainly one should avoid unnecessary lane changes.  If the merging vehicles insist on merging at 20 km/h less than the speed limit... Corolla and Camry drivers... then let them drive on the shoulder or into the ditch.

Agree.  The # of people that do not know how to merge properly is amazing.
Your job as a merging driver is to get up to the same speed as the flow of traffic and move into an open space.  Quite simple, really, but there are lots that find this a white knuckle experience.

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2010, 05:45:40 pm »
Your job as a merging driver is to get up to the same speed as the flow of traffic and move into an open space.

Somtimes it is just not possible to get up to speed because of a short on-ramp. The old E-bound Gardiner on-ramp at Jameson, in Toronto, is a prime example. I have witnessed many near misses there and it never fails to amaze me at the stupidity of drivers who do not move out of the right lane but still want to maintain their 100 kph at that point.

Somtimes the car ahead of you does not enable you to get up to speed and I have to merge in at a slower speed and slow down the traffic in the right lane. Do I feel guilty? Absolutely not. If they did not want to be slowed down, then they would have moved out of the right lane in advance.

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2010, 09:50:28 pm »
TPL - "If the merging vehicles insist on merging at 20 km/h less than the speed limit... Corolla and Camry drivers" - It's not just my pet peeve eh?  "then let them drive on the shoulder or into the ditch" - That's where they belong.

I agree though it's incredible how many people can't merge. I'm always thinking four leter words once I'm stuck behind the beige Camry or Corolla in the merging lane, THEY NEVER SPEED UP!! ARRGGHH! These kind of drivers who can't merge shouldn't have a license in the first place!

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2010, 02:51:36 am »
Well George, some things I agree with, some I don't.

First off, #1 - when on a free way - i almost always stay left until I need to turn off. This pisses off the 'speeders' but I don't care. (FWIW  - I do about 20 to 25 over the speed limit when in the left lane and that usually keeps up with the flow of traffic - any faster and for sure YOU WILL get a speeding ticket if police are monitoring (so would I) so too bad and swerve around me if you want to break the law).

Why do I do this? For the reason you site on one of your issues with the right lane - the merging. Most people are OK, but that one idiot who doesn't want to step on the gas to get up to speed to merge can cause all kinds of issues. I've seen it. I've even had people go onto an off ramp then decide to just swerve back onto the expressway with no signal - then give ME the dirty look when I honk my horn at them for cutting me off without signaling.

But your stop a signal is stupid. Unless the right hand lane is designated as a turning lane George, that car as just as much right to go straight as you do to turn right. So don't get your panties in a bunch next time that happens, just breathe deeply and calm yourself, go to your zen place. The light really doesn't take all that long to change, then you'll be able to turn. Yes, it's a pain sometimes and in fact it happens to me just about every day when I take my son to school in the morning, especially if i'm running late.  But it's not that drivers fault in front of me for going straight, it's my fault for leaving late. I can't blame them on that.

I think though there should be another thread started - an 'I own the Road' thread for all those people (and there's quite a few of those on the left hand lunacy thread) and let them vent and complain.

Bottom line is we all share the road. And here's a novel idea - if we all do (around) the speed limit (realizing here that due to circumstances some people will need to go slower (right hand lane) and some people will need to move a bit quicker (running late for an important meeting, driving to the hospital to witness their childs birth, etc) we'd all be surprised at just how few accidents there are, how much 'quicker' we'd all get to our destinations, and just overall how much smoother and more pleasant all our driving experiences would be.

For those with a lead foot - take it on the hwy when no one is around. For those that are less confident behind the wheel, I'm sure their confidence would increase if we all were courteous and more respectful.

Meh, what the heck am I saying - lets just all get James Bond cars and blow each other up. That will clean up congestion on the roadway  ;D

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2010, 07:49:11 am »

It is September
Working in Kingston , 300km around trip each day
Traveling the highway of much easier since most of the GTA driver are staying here ;D
I wish they would stay there in the summer months also

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2010, 11:09:33 am »
...when on a free way - i almost always stay left until I need to turn off. This pisses off the 'speeders' but I don't care...

...I think though there should be another thread started - an 'I own the Road' thread for all those people.

I think it's obvious who thinks they own the road.

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2010, 03:09:36 am »
...when on a free way - i almost always stay left until I need to turn off. This pisses off the 'speeders' but I don't care...

...I think though there should be another thread started - an 'I own the Road' thread for all those people.

I think it's obvious who thinks they own the road.

You?

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2010, 07:47:45 pm »
TPL - "If the merging vehicles insist on merging at 20 km/h less than the speed limit... Corolla and Camry drivers" - It's not just my pet peeve eh?  "then let them drive on the shoulder or into the ditch" - That's where they belong.

I agree though it's incredible how many people can't merge. I'm always thinking four leter words once I'm stuck behind the beige Camry or Corolla in the merging lane, THEY NEVER SPEED UP!! ARRGGHH! These kind of drivers who can't merge shouldn't have a license in the first place!
Those folks :censor: me off too.. People need to learn to merge at 100 kph... not 80 kph or my favourite... that was 60kph.

BTW: My Corolla is grey and you won't find me merging at 80 :)

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2010, 08:25:36 pm »
TPL - "If the merging vehicles insist on merging at 20 km/h less than the speed limit... Corolla and Camry drivers" - It's not just my pet peeve eh?  "then let them drive on the shoulder or into the ditch" - That's where they belong.

I agree though it's incredible how many people can't merge. I'm always thinking four leter words once I'm stuck behind the beige Camry or Corolla in the merging lane, THEY NEVER SPEED UP!! ARRGGHH! These kind of drivers who can't merge shouldn't have a license in the first place!
Those folks :censor: me off too.. People need to learn to merge at 100 kph... not 80 kph or my favourite... that was 60kph.

BTW: My Corolla is grey and you won't find me merging at 80 :)

Question:   How are people taught to merge in Canada?   In the uk it was firmly stated that you had to merge at the speed of traffic  even if it was going faster than the speed limit.  I wonder if people are taught to merge at the speed limit OR the suggested limit on the yellow sign at the start of the ramp.

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2010, 08:40:15 pm »
merge at the speed of traffic  even if it was going faster than the speed limit
Is there anyother way

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2010, 08:53:03 pm »
No other safe way.

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Re: Right Lane Lunacy
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2010, 09:24:58 pm »
TPL - "If the merging vehicles insist on merging at 20 km/h less than the speed limit... Corolla and Camry drivers" - It's not just my pet peeve eh?  "then let them drive on the shoulder or into the ditch" - That's where they belong.

I agree though it's incredible how many people can't merge. I'm always thinking four leter words once I'm stuck behind the beige Camry or Corolla in the merging lane, THEY NEVER SPEED UP!! ARRGGHH! These kind of drivers who can't merge shouldn't have a license in the first place!
Those folks :censor: me off too.. People need to learn to merge at 100 kph... not 80 kph or my favourite... that was 60kph.

BTW: My Corolla is grey and you won't find me merging at 80 :)

Question:   How are people taught to merge in Canada?   In the uk it was firmly stated that you had to merge at the speed of traffic  even if it was going faster than the speed limit.  I wonder if people are taught to merge at the speed limit OR the suggested limit on the yellow sign at the start of the ramp.
One of my daughter's friends failed her Ontario driving test because she tried to merge at the speed limit and caused a number of cars to concertina behind her.  She queried the tester and the tester informed her that they (the testers) are all taught that you must merge at the speed of the traffic *then* slow down gradually to the speed limit.  Apparently my daughter was taught this during driving school, too, whereas her friend was taught by good ol' dad.  Of course, good ol' dad is probably one of those numbskulls who merge on the 401 (take your pick of multi-lane highway here) at 80 km/h.  He probably also slows down before he enters the exit ramp on the highway, too.  Another pet peeve of mine.
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