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Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« on: August 10, 2010, 05:25:35 pm »
Just FYI - Do not deal with these clowns.

Picture the snakiest used car dealer you've ever encountered. Thats Weiland Ford.
All plastic smiles while they're taking your money. Once they have it you get a big "EFF YOU!"

Not just from the dealers, but from the other two "separate companies" that all bad mouth each other - Ford Credit and Ford Customer Service. "One ford" really means everything until you've got a problem, then they're REAL fast to tell you they aren't the same company.

(Last time I checked, NYSE: F reported income from all three divisions.)
 
My beef with Weiland started at my first automatic payment. The $491 seemed a little high to what I was discussing in the dealership, which was $412. I looked at my paperwork and realized the $26000 I shook on had turned into $31000 I signed for. I called Steve, the guy who sold it to me and he said he would get back to me. Two whole days later he called me back saying there was nothing he could do and for me to forget about it. I remembered the conversation clearly, especially with the business manager, she said "good news! I can get you an aditional $750 off for being a recent graduate!" thats when I asked "so I'm only paying about $25000 with everything included?" she said confirmed my statement and got me to sign.

Yes, my fault for taking their word and not reading the paperwork.

I was later told by a customer service rep, I have 90 days to deal with a pricing issue. That was well past 90 days.

Not so bad, I could have avoided it by reading the contract before signing it.

Next, I needed to change my banking information, I called ford credit and asked how they wanted me to submit my new information. I was instructed to bring a void cheque into the dealership, I was told I had 22 days before my next payment was due which gave lots of time to make the switch. I took the cheque in that day. The receptionist took it and off I went, thinking all is good.

When the payment the next month didn't go through, I contacted ford credit again asking them what happened. They told me I didn't submit a new cheque and my payment came back NSF from the old account. I told them what happened and I was told it wasn't ford credit's fault, and to take it up with the dealership. That I did. The dealership said it wasn't them and to take it up with ford credit. So I called them back. This time I asked for a manager after about 5 minutes of "I'm very sorry, but we can't do anything for you here, its the dealerships fault, they do things like this all the time and the customers get mad at us..." - at the end of the day, the manager was set to waive the NSF charge, but as for the lost cheque, I had to take it up with the dealership. I've been bounced back and fourth, finally after two months and a 3rd cheque, we had the funds coming out of the correct account. My credit still took a blemish at Ford's hand's - which I'm still fighting for a resolution. All they have to do is send the amendment to equifiax or send me a letter of apology and let me do the leg work. I've gotten neither. Since then I've taken various loans and ford's blemish causes me to be a higher risk and therefore it costs me more to finance what I'd like.

Still, that wouldn't be enough to kill my business relationship, what happened next disturbed me as well as made me never want to be a part of the ford family ever again.

When I purchased the car, I was offered a set of locking nuts for a small price. Thinking how easy it would be to take my parelli tires, I took the bait. I didn't need to use the locking nut until a year after I bought the car. Until that time, it was in the filing cabinet with the ford paperwork. When I got a flat, I called a relative to pick it up and bring it to me so I could use it. It's the first time it's been outside my house, let alone used. We tried for 20 mins to get the nut to work. CAA came and tried. We got the car towed to the dealership and left it there.

Monday I get a call from the service manager saying the nut was stripped and a new one is $50. I told him it was the first time I had ever used it and he said "well you must have bent it."

Take a step back here. I'm not athletic, I can maybe bench press 75 lbs, the CAA guy would have been the strongest and he was about my size as well. I'm being told that I bent reinforced auto-part steel that is designed for 500+LB air pressure guns with my bare hands. After not taking no for an answer, I was told to call customer service. Surely they would see the hole in that story. After customer service "investigated" the situation. (took the opinion of the weiland service manager and went with it...) they told me I'd still have to pay for the nut. Fed up, I took the car to get the tires changed at another dealership and I told them about the locking nut situation. Two hours later, Parkway Ford calls me saying "well you didn't bend the nut, it's perfectly fine, its the completely wrong key." With my new info, I was sure Weiland would come clean.

I called the service manager, who after a few minutes said "I told you I'm not touching this one!" and hung up on me. Calling back, I was able to tell them about the other dealer's findings and they flat out said "I dont believe you." and hung up. Not even a consideration to verify those findings. Basically "screw you, we have your money, now if you dont pay us, we're going to repo the car, sure you and screw your credit."

Little do they know, that locking nut situation is enough to void the contract to purchase the vehicle. Especially with the recoded findings from the other dealership. 

Still going back in fourth on that one. So far I've been told "I'm making stuff up." and "Life isn't fair, come to terms with that."

The final straw was when I complained about this on facebook, a dealer in the US saw it and apparently took it to heart, he wrote me an extremely rude and unprofessional message - insluting anyone whos had a financial issue in the past, and then proceeded to take my information from the ford systems to harass me. Getting text messages on my cell phone from him, pictures of my house send to me, being told "you'll see how a real new yorker handles things."

When I brought this extremely disturbing response to Ford, they simply said "dealers have nothing to do with ford customer service. we're sorry you are experiencing this."

Then how did that dealer have granted access to my personal information, Ford?
Did you give him the information to "make this problem go away?" (obviously not, but i wouldn't put it past them at this point...)

I contacted the local authorities in that dealer's area.
sending a threat like "showing me how a real new yorker does things" and then putting it into action through cellphone contact and seeing out my house information...is highly illegal.

Needless to say, I'm never ever buying another ford. Ever.

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 06:08:08 pm »
Wow...just wow....
How fast is my Supra?  I sh*t on Cessnas from a roll....

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 07:37:51 pm »
All dealers are angels when they want your money. I don't need somebody kissing my bum, just someone who treats me normally and doesn't give me the BS when purchasing.

"Yes, my fault for taking their word and not reading the paperwork" - You said it, that's your fault. Verbal agreements mean nothing. What's on paper is what counts. READ THE FINE PRINT AND UNDERSTAND IT. Bring somebody who understands the legal lingo.


However, if someone on here mentions they had a bad experience with a dealership, I'm quick to take note and avoid them.

Good luck.

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2010, 08:07:18 pm »
You need a lawyer.  Somebody needs to at least go after that dealer from New York who is sending you those threats.

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2010, 08:41:37 pm »
Wow.....So its been over 1 year already and now you decide to post on this forum? Interesting.

I guess the lessons here are:

1) read the contract before signing it and/or bring a second person to help
2) check the car over to ensure you got what you paid for

Personally, I have no idea why you hate Ford. Do you really think other dealers wouldn't do the same thing to you?
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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 09:00:52 pm »
Wow.....So its been over 1 year already and now you decide to post on this forum? Interesting.

I guess the lessons here are:

1) read the contract before signing it and/or bring a second person to help
2) check the car over to ensure you got what you paid for

Personally, I have no idea why you hate Ford. Do you really think other dealers wouldn't do the same thing to you?

So you think all dealers would tell him he's a liar (after giving him the wrong key) and then someone else from a Ford dealer threaten him?  That's normal behavior to you?

And I also don't doubt he agreed on a lower price, then the dealer slipped it up a few grand hoping he wouldn't notice.  Also acceptable behavior for you?

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2010, 09:20:27 pm »
Yes I am but let me qualify it better. Not saying they all do but it isn't a brand specific issue and it could have happened from any shady dealer. Recently we read about a Mazda dealer selling a lady a new car when she only need tires.

Personally, I'm having a hard time believing the NY dealer stuff. New poster, story is over a year old and this is the internet.

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2010, 09:30:24 pm »
Yes I am but let me qualify it better. Not saying they all do but it isn't a brand specific issue and it could have happened from any shady dealer. Recently we read about a Mazda dealer selling a lady a new car when she only need tires.

Personally, I'm having a hard time believing the NY dealer stuff. New poster, story is over a year old and this is the internet.

Yea, but truth be told.  If a dealer rapes you....are you really going to go back and give that brand another shot?

I can definitely see someone not buying that brand again due to a bad dealer experience.    Many people view dealers as an extension of the company.

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2010, 09:41:51 pm »
I guess that is where I think differently than anybody else. I'm seeing this really as a dealer issue and there are a lot of other Ford dealers that might want the business. If I don't like the store I'm buying something at, I move along to another. There is nothing wrong with the car the OP bought, only the dealer service.

Example: I tried to buy my Mazda6 locally and the 4 dealers I went to here in TO all sucked big time. I even had one guy call my Protege5 "The Titantic" and it was going to fall apart any second. This was from a Mazda dealer. The only thing that was wrong with it was a small dent in a fender.

So I ended up buying our car in Stratford and not only did I get a better deal but also better service.

I've done the same thing for other products I've tried to buy.


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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2010, 10:09:24 pm »
Yea...but the HUGE difference is, you don't think you got hosed AFTER spending your money.

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2010, 10:44:28 pm »
Well of course.  ;D

That is why it is so important to read over contracts before signing them. If you don't know what you are doing, take along somebody to help.

I always find it funny that people can find the time to complain about things after the fact but don't always spend the time before doing the research. I guess its all part of learning.

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2010, 11:16:57 pm »
I'd contact the FBI.  And file a complaint here as well  :  http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2010, 11:38:16 pm »
I laughed when the cops here mentioned that as well.
I thought they were just for the big guns and heavy bangers.

The link you posted though is for fraud complaints.

I guess they're just like the mounties here, a federal police force.
I blame hollywood for what I think they are. haha

No it's not.  You didn't even look at it.  It's for:

Sex

Threats

Money (or shopping)

Computer Hacking

Copyright

Identity Theft

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2010, 11:48:20 pm »
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IC3 accepts online Internet crime complaints from either the person who believes they were defrauded or from a third party to the complainant. We can best process your complaint if we receive accurate and complete information from you. Therefore, we request that you provide the following information when filing a complaint:

    * Your name
    * Your mailing address
    * Your telephone number
    * The name, address, telephone number, and Web address, if available, of the individual or organization you believe defrauded you.
    * Specific details on how, why, and when you believe you were defrauded.
    * Any other relevant information you believe is necessary to support your complaint.

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2010, 11:59:36 pm »
Start the complaint process...as you go through the form, it's not just fraud.  Or don't.  I'm starting to see that reading through everything may not be your strength....

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2010, 10:03:43 am »
Some free advice:


While I won't comment on your situation as I have no idea what the reality of this situation is - I would suggest that you stop posting on this or any public forum on this particular issue while you take what you feel is the appropriate action.

If you feel you deserve restitution or you want to have the police involved - I would keep this private until any investigation has run its course. I would CERTAINLY not post screen shots of your emails with your email address clearly visible.

JMHO
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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2010, 01:13:19 am »
Some free advice:


While I won't comment on your situation as I have no idea what the reality of this situation is - I would suggest that you stop posting on this or any public forum on this particular issue while you take what you feel is the appropriate action.

If you feel you deserve restitution or you want to have the police involved - I would keep this private until any investigation has run its course. I would CERTAINLY not post screen shots of your emails with your email address clearly visible.

JMHO

I also wouldn't be posting stuff on facebook. OP - have you not heard about all the privacy (as in lack of) issues with Facebook?

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Re: Weiland Ford - Kitchener
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2010, 07:17:45 pm »
Some free advice:


While I won't comment on your situation as I have no idea what the reality of this situation is - I would suggest that you stop posting on this or any public forum on this particular issue while you take what you feel is the appropriate action.

If you feel you deserve restitution or you want to have the police involved - I would keep this private until any investigation has run its course. I would CERTAINLY not post screen shots of your emails with your email address clearly visible.

JMHO

I don't put much personal stuff online. My gmail account is generally a junk mail account, my real dob is rarely used. 

My dealings with Ford drove me to the point of telling the story to total strangers in hopes of sparing them the agony of dealing with Ford. Really, it's helped. I've got insight into the situation I wouldn't have received as quick, if ever, by posting the story around. It's also attracted negative attention, but again, lots to be learned. I would never have heard of my options through OMVIC unless I took this online.

I also wouldn't be posting stuff on facebook. OP - have you not heard about all the privacy (as in lack of) issues with Facebook?