aiyiyi
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« on: July 28, 2010, 04:48:44 pm » |
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I know that in prior years the CSX was really hated on for being an overpriced Civic. Is this still the case? I was in the market for a Civic but a co-worker is trying to sell me on the 2010 CSX. He says the price has come down a lot and that it comes with lots of standard features (such as better suspension, slightly better hp, bigger tires, xenon lights, security system, auto AC and my favorite, navigation & bluetooth). I've been on google for a while trying to get to the bottom of it, but all I seem to able to find are reports from prior year models. Any thoughts?
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Julie
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2010, 07:41:58 pm » |
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I'm no longer up to date on Acura models, and the CSX is a Canadian-only model, so it limits the amount of info one can get from large on-line community forums dedicated to the brand... but yes, some people see it as an overpriced Civic. However, my understanding is that they sell quite well in Canada (which would explain why Acura Canada kept it, despite Acura's wish to move upscale (thus why the RSX was axed and the TSX was made their entry-level car in the States). I think you have to really test a nice Civic Si versus an Acura CSX. EDIT: I remembered where to find CSX info on the Temple of VTEC, which is a big Honda/Acura community (if you didn't already know): http://www.vtec.net/forums/forum?forum_id=39855. |
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2010, 08:54:29 am » |
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I thought nav, bt, and leather were available in a civic now?
In any case think of the CSX as a Civic with more tech features and a bit more power, not more luxury imo.
Although when I bought my tsx the salesman claimed that the csx had more soundproofing than a civic. Who knows.
Is it worth it? Dunno. What's a golf gti cost? |
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aiyiyi
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 09:27:06 am » |
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I went to both Honda and Acura last night. I liked the SI, but don't know how I feel about the extra power. This is supposed to be my 2nd car and cheap on gas, so I am thinking I should stick with the smaller engine. Leather does come in the higher end non-SI model (the EXL), but there is no navigation option. The 17" tires were an extra $1500 I think. Honda was 100% unwilling to budge on the price...they were very "take it or leave it". Once I added in the security system, 17" wheels and fog lights, my Civic would end up costing $26,700 or so (including freight and PDI) I went to Acura and really liked the CSX! A tiny bit more power than the non-SI Civic (or I could get type-S for the extra power, which I don't want). I talked them down about 2k so far, which is bringing it to around $26,885. And I think I could potentially get them to go lower too, since I believe it was clear I wasn't actually going to buy the car today. It seems like a no brainer to pay the extra $185 for the navigation system/bluetooth, slightly better hp, lights, auto ac, extra year of warranty, tire pressure monitoring and better suspension. Now to just convince my hubby that we need a 2nd car  |
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 09:28:43 am » |
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Julie, thanks for the link! I'll check out those forums!  |
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 10:00:01 am » |
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On that basis, absolutely take the CSX. Honestly I thought it cost more than that.
That said are you dead set on a Honda? There is a lot of choice in this class....you are basically a kid in a candy store. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 10:51:35 am » |
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Not completely dead set! I just really like the interior of them.
What else do you recommend? The rates on VW are extremely high right now, and I have had Mazda and Nissan before and wanted to try out something new. Am not a fan of Toyotas.
Am I missing another huge competitor? |
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Julie
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 01:12:26 pm » |
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Not completely dead set! I just really like the interior of them.
What else do you recommend? The rates on VW are extremely high right now, and I have had Mazda and Nissan before and wanted to try out something new. Am not a fan of Toyotas.
Am I missing another huge competitor?
The GTI is terrific, but it costs more - about the price of the TSX. Between the Civic and the CSX, it's a no-brainer then! Especially with the attitude of the Honda dealer...  I've heard Acura navs are very good (which would make them worthwhile to get in the car, IMO. Especially at less than $185 bucks with all those other goodies! ) And cool about trying to convince the hubby to get a car! |
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 01:20:54 pm » |
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Not completely dead set! I just really like the interior of them.
What else do you recommend? The rates on VW are extremely high right now, and I have had Mazda and Nissan before and wanted to try out something new. Am not a fan of Toyotas.
Am I missing another huge competitor?
The GTI is terrific, but it costs more - about the price of the TSX. GTI = $28,675 (to start but well equipped). Might be worth the look for just a little more money. If you don't want to spend that much, the Golf is still a very nice car and cheaper. |
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How is it possible that after electricity has traveled through hundreds of miles of power line then hundreds of feet (or yards) of romex in our home, that changing the last three feet of wire with something exotic, expensive (cool looking, and packaged in a pricey box) is going to make a difference?
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Julie
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 07:42:00 pm » |
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Not completely dead set! I just really like the interior of them.
What else do you recommend? The rates on VW are extremely high right now, and I have had Mazda and Nissan before and wanted to try out something new. Am not a fan of Toyotas.
Am I missing another huge competitor?
The GTI is terrific, but it costs more - about the price of the TSX. GTI = $28,675 (to start but well equipped). Might be worth the look for just a little more money. If you don't want to spend that much, the Golf is still a very nice car and cheaper. I was doing a rough calculation in my head based on my recent pricing out of a GTI 5-door, and the now-lower starting price of the TSX (32K), but I could be quite off. Worth it to check out then, I agree. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2010, 01:21:26 am » |
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At less than $3000 difference, the GTI is a much better buy and a way better vehicle than a CSX. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 07:33:01 am » |
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At less than $3000 difference, the GTI is a much better buy and a way better vehicle than a CSX.
Maybe to you, but not to the OP. She made it clear that she doesn't care for/need the extra power, and that she puts fuel economy above performance. These kinds of threads aren't about what YOU need, they're about what the OP needs. Also, let's not kid ourselves, although VW's seem to be more reliable than recent years, they're no Civics. There isn't anything quite like the CSX on the market, which is why you're seeing them everywhere. You want a Civic wich a few more features for not that much more money? Get a CSX. |
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 07:44:14 am » |
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She made it clear that she doesn't care for/need the extra power, and that she puts fuel economy above performance. Check your numbers before making these statements. CSX (Auto) = 8.7/6.4 GTi (Auto) = 8.7/6.3 Not bad for getting an extra 45hp and 60tq. |
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How is it possible that after electricity has traveled through hundreds of miles of power line then hundreds of feet (or yards) of romex in our home, that changing the last three feet of wire with something exotic, expensive (cool looking, and packaged in a pricey box) is going to make a difference?
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 08:00:25 am » |
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I would suggest that the 6.3l/100 in the GTI evaporates like snow in July if you use any of those extra bhp. Turbocharged engines are like that. |
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It is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2010, 08:03:42 am » |
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OP should really be getting an E30 because it has right wheel drive and a good manual to do their own repairs  |
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Shnak
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2010, 08:10:27 am » |
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She made it clear that she doesn't care for/need the extra power, and that she puts fuel economy above performance. Check your numbers before making these statements. CSX (Auto) = 8.7/6.4 GTi (Auto) = 8.7/6.3 Not bad for getting an extra 45hp and 60tq. Premium fuel, much higher maintenance costs, and much much less reliable. I only specified fuel econonmy, but overall econonmy is what I should have said. Besides, does anyone with a GTI really achieve those numbers? I know I certainly wouldn't be anywhere near them! On fuelly, the average for GTI's seems to be in the 9's L/100km. For the Civic, it's around 7.5L/100km. That's a 17% fuel econonmy difference. Not negligeable. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2010, 08:33:41 am » |
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My GTI DSG gets the low 8s overall in spring/summer/fall and the high 8s in winter. Using the 2nd trip computer setting that keeps the long term average economy ( between services anyway upto 100 hours of driving) |
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2010, 08:58:37 am » |
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Premium fuel, much higher maintenance costs, and much much less reliable. I only specified fuel econonmy, but overall econonmy is what I should have said.
Besides, does anyone with a GTI really achieve those numbers? I know I certainly wouldn't be anywhere near them! On fuelly, the average for GTI's seems to be in the 9's L/100km. For the Civic, it's around 7.5L/100km. That's a 17% fuel econonmy difference. Not negligeable.
I actually can get sub 7's on back roads. I'm sure my mileage in a CSX would be similar considering my driving style. Besides, which engine would do better at 120kph all day long? Also, using Fuelly for the Civic? Come on, its not even the same engine. Besides, the OP asked for other suggestions and the GTi is a very good one. Its up to the OP if the GTi is worth the price of admission. Personally, I think so. If the price is too high, I'm sure there is a nice CPO '09 model out there somewhere. Also, I don't think the OP has said what kind of driving they do. IE: Mostly city or hwy. That also makes a difference. |
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How is it possible that after electricity has traveled through hundreds of miles of power line then hundreds of feet (or yards) of romex in our home, that changing the last three feet of wire with something exotic, expensive (cool looking, and packaged in a pricey box) is going to make a difference?
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2010, 09:38:42 am » |
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Besides, the OP asked for other suggestions and the GTi is a very good one. Its up to the OP if the GTi is worth the price of admission. Personally, I think so. If the price is too high, I'm sure there is a nice CPO '09 model out there somewhere. The OP said she didn't want/need the bigger engine on the Civic SI as this is for a second vehicle and she wants it to be cheap on gas. Usually, when someone wants something cheap on gas, they also want something cheap to maintain and reliable... I don't know... the GTI seems to be about as far away from this poster's needs as there is. Horrible choice for her, IMO. |
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2010, 09:58:18 am » |
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Besides, the OP asked for other suggestions and the GTi is a very good one. Its up to the OP if the GTi is worth the price of admission. Personally, I think so. If the price is too high, I'm sure there is a nice CPO '09 model out there somewhere. The OP said she didn't want/need the bigger engine on the Civic SI as this is for a second vehicle and she wants it to be cheap on gas. Usually, when someone wants something cheap on gas, they also want something cheap to maintain and reliable... I don't know... the GTI seems to be about as far away from this poster's needs as there is. Horrible choice for her, IMO. The car gets the SAME fuel economy as the CSX so it was mentioned. If they wante something cheaper on gas, they should look at a FIT, Yaris, etc. The CSX is an upscale Civic. Since it sounds like they want a little luxury so the GTi was added for the OP to see if they would like it. Many posters on here come for advice and NEW ideas. Sometimes they will take a look at other ideas and find out they really like that car even though it was a little outside their parameters. My budget was 30K, I easily went over that once I found the car I wanted. Funny how you are now deciding what is good for the OP.  |
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