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WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« on: July 13, 2010, 03:48:06 pm »
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435744.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEADNewsCollection

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The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in accidents blamed on sudden acceleration and found that at the time of the crashes, throttles were wide open and the brakes were not engaged, people familiar with the findings said.

The results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyota and Lexus vehicles surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator when they intended to jam on the brakes. But the findings don't exonerate Toyota from two known issues blamed for sudden acceleration in its vehicles: sticky accelerator pedals and floor mats that can trap accelerator pedals to the floor.

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2010, 04:48:34 pm »
Interesting....

Oh...I don't see this story being splashed on CNN or Fox.  Very odd...
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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2010, 05:38:13 pm »
this had all the makin's of a good ol fashion merican lynchin until someone decided to think.  when does the plane leave to japan with the big sorry?  how about never?   ::)

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2010, 05:41:12 pm »
this had all the makin's of a good ol fashion merican lynchin until someone decided to think.  when does the plane leave to japan with the big sorry?  how about never?   ::)

Yea..I was wondering when Congress was going to offer an official apology to Mr. Toyoda for the failings of stupid American drivers...

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2010, 05:42:13 pm »
Interesting....

Oh...I don't see this story being splashed on CNN or Fox.  Very odd...

Can't wait for CatEye's response to this...... ::) ::) ::) Course could be hard to know, as so many have him on ignore... ;)
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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2010, 06:47:50 am »
There's a few posters who haven't jumped on this quite as quickly as they might have if the story said the opposite...

As many have said, the chances of not being able to overcome the throttle by stomping on the brakes is pretty remote, so there's always been something a little fishy about the story.

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2010, 09:59:43 am »
I don't think it's completely unexpected. The alternate explanation of a problem in the software was only a possibility. I had no idea if there was anything to it or not.

I really wonder why Toyota didn't comment as soon as they downloaded the black box info from the first few incidents? It would seem to me they could have saved themselves a world of grief by pointing this out much earlier in this fiasco. Once an issue like this gets plastered across the media, its pretty much beyond anyone's control.
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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2010, 10:35:45 am »
The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2010, 11:26:26 am »
Idiots have pressed the gas pedals on all cars, no revelation here.  Fact remains, they have a gas pedal problem at Toyota, well documented.
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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2010, 05:39:28 pm »
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But the findings don't exonerate Toyota from two known issues blamed for sudden acceleration in its vehicles: sticky accelerator pedals and floor mats that can trap accelerator pedals to the floor.


Nothing here we didn't already know. Toyota has a design defect.

One wonders why they recalled millions and millions of vehicles if that was not the case.

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2010, 05:49:20 pm »
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But the findings don't exonerate Toyota from two known issues blamed for sudden acceleration in its vehicles: sticky accelerator pedals and floor mats that can trap accelerator pedals to the floor.


Nothing here we didn't already know. Toyota has a design defect.

One wonders why they recalled millions and millions of vehicles if that was not the case.

Yup.  Except the "defect" wasn't the cause of any accidents.  And you don't have to wonder why they recalled vehicles when the pres had to sit in front of Congress.  The recall made the stupid Americans feel all warm and fuzzy and safe...Just like I said from the beginning...Operator Error.

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2010, 05:51:57 pm »
Can't wait for CatEye's response to this...... ::) ::) ::) Course could be hard to know, as so many have him on ignore... ;)

Oh, go drive your Toyota off a cliff...  ::)

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2010, 05:58:48 pm »
Can't wait for CatEye's response to this...... ::) ::) ::) Course could be hard to know, as so many have him on ignore... ;)

Oh, go drive your Toyota off a cliff...  ::)

He doesn't have a Toyota...LOL

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2010, 07:00:30 pm »
There's a few posters who haven't jumped on this quite as quickly as they might have if the story said the opposite...

As many have said, the chances of not being able to overcome the throttle by stomping on the brakes is pretty remote, so there's always been something a little fishy about the story.

Saw it yesterday...decided to wait and see how long it took to post.  I don't see a time stamp on the WSJ article...it was posted as BREAKING on AutoBlog at 3:26...and posted on here 22 minutes later.  Point being Toyota gets lots of help 'round here....don't worry about them in this place.

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2010, 07:21:48 pm »
There's a few posters who haven't jumped on this quite as quickly as they might have if the story said the opposite...

As many have said, the chances of not being able to overcome the throttle by stomping on the brakes is pretty remote, so there's always been something a little fishy about the story.

Saw it yesterday...decided to wait and see how long it took to post.  I don't see a time stamp on the WSJ article...it was posted as BREAKING on AutoBlog at 3:26...and posted on here 22 minutes later.  Point being Toyota gets lots of help 'round here....don't worry about them in this place.



But no help from the US gov't...... ;D

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2010, 07:57:13 pm »
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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2010, 09:02:40 pm »
He doesn't have a Toyota...LOL

According to his signature he does. Better pay attention if you're going to be an artic, jr.

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2010, 09:08:56 pm »
But no help from the US gov't...... ;D

I'd wager that Toyota's received way more from US taxpayers in the form of incentives to locate their plants in (insert state here) than the Japanese Gov't has given to GM/FoMoCo/ChryCo.

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Re: WSJ: Crash Data Suggest Driver Error in Toyota Accidents
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2010, 09:55:33 pm »
Can't wait for CatEye's response to this...... ::) ::) ::) Course could be hard to know, as so many have him on ignore... ;)

Oh, go drive your Toyota off a cliff...  ::)

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