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2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« on: March 23, 2010, 07:54:42 pm »



The Acura RDX is the only North American Honda product that comes from the factory with a turbocharged engine. It goes up against some formidable competition in the compact luxury SUV class, so follow along this week to see what James thinks of it.
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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2010, 08:41:58 am »
I quite like the RDX. While its fuel economy could be better, it's reasonably priced, fun to drive, and one of the better-looking cars in Acura's lineup.

We looked at one for my mum but she vetoed that idea when she sat in it. It has the type of headrests that are angled forward. ::) That bothers certain people, I guess.

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2010, 09:07:58 am »
Somehow, Acura defines the RDX as a mid-sized SUV, yet it is shorter both in length and in height than the GMC Terrain I drove a few weeks back, which GMC claims is a compact SUV. The RDX is wider, but has less of everything else, including cargo capacity, interior space and ground clearance.

Blame that on GMC... there's no way in hell the Terrain and Equinox are compact SUV's. That's marketing BS right there. They want their SUVs to stand out in terms of space when compared to real compact SUVs like the CR-V & Forester, and even then, those are creeping up in size too.

Now, the other question is how come the RDX is considered a midsized SUV when the the CR-V is considered a compact SUV? Aren't they built on the same platform?? And if the RDX is a midsized SUV, does that make the MDX a fullsized SUV competing against the Suburbans and Expeditions of this world? That doesn't make any sense either.

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2010, 09:22:38 am »
got me, makes no sense to me either.

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2010, 09:22:56 am »
Shame the RDX burns more fuel than the already-thirsty MDX in the real world.  

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2010, 09:46:30 am »
Is it wrong that every time I see a RDX the only thing I think about is how the liftgate is recessed about an inch from the bumper.  In a slight fender bender you are probably looking at huge repair bills... Then again if someone rear ends you, their insurance will be footing the bill anyway! 

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 11:14:43 am »
They put the wrong engine to the wrong car.

RDX is an SUV, it should be using a V6 from the TSX, and it matches with the automatic.

TSX is a sport sedan, it should be using the turbo 4 from the RDX, give it tuning for more HP, and put the 6 speed manual there.

This make sense even more when you consider the high fuel consumption on the RDX. If they put the V6 there, it will help a lot on the fuel economy, and for TSX, if fuel consumption is a concern, one should get the non-turbo, and for the enthusiast, as long as there is a turbo 4 there, using a couple more liters of gas for 100Km does not really matter.

Honda America/Canada, please listen and I am sure it will boost up your sales a lot. Do you know how many people just walk away from Acura Dealership because RDX has a turbo in it instead of a V6???

  

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2010, 11:57:52 am »
I have always loved the RDX and I had the chance to sit in one and I fell in love with it. The seats just seemed to mold to my body and they were extremely comfortable in my opinion. The leather was very nice to the touch and the steering wheel just had the right grooves and it just felt like the entire vehicle was built around the driver.

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2010, 03:12:16 pm »
The line between SUV,CUV,etc is becoming very foggy....not to mention the sizes. I agree this Acura is more "compact" than the equally "compact" GMC Terrain Wing tested previously. Would the VW Tiguan be a close competitor as well?
Thoughts anyone?     ;)
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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2010, 04:24:26 pm »
James, the turbo motor in the RDX has actually 2.3 liters of displacement, not 2.4.
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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2010, 05:11:45 pm »
Shame the RDX burns more fuel than the already-thirsty MDX in the real world... “ – si

Turbocharger is a device to burn more fuel.  Suppose the boost is a modest 7psi, the engine’s effective displacement becomes 3.45 litres (2.3*1.5).  You have to feed the fuel accordingly (50% more). So, if you drive aggressively (longer turbo dutiy time), naturally your gas mileage sufferes.  Besides, often turbochaged engines have optimistic fuel metering causing too rich condition.  Take a look at the exhaust pipes of turbochaged cars.  Many cases you will find them covered with soot… sign of oxygen starvation.  Also, for turbocharged engines you have rather complicated exhaust plumbing, making the exhaust channel less than ideal for scavenging. 

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2010, 06:34:38 pm »
Shame the RDX burns more fuel than the already-thirsty MDX in the real world... “ – si

Turbocharger is a device to burn more fuel.  Suppose the boost is a modest 7psi, the engine’s effective displacement becomes 3.45 litres (2.3*1.5).  You have to feed the fuel accordingly (50% more). So, if you drive aggressively (longer turbo duty time), naturally your gas mileage suffers.  Besides, often turbocharged engines have optimistic fuel metering causing too rich condition.  Take a look at the exhaust pipes of turbocharged cars.  Many cases you will find them covered with soot… sign of oxygen starvation.  Also, for turbocharged engines you have rather complicated exhaust plumbing, making the exhaust channel less than ideal for scavenging. 


I have to disagree a bit here.   Indeed turbocharged engines USED to have "Optimistic" or over rich fuel metering but nowadays the closed loop emission control systems will not permit the exhaust composition to be anything that the 3 way catalytic converters cannot reduce.

If you drive any car aggressively the fuel mileage will suffer and I agree that forced induction makes this worse but no worse nowadays that a atmospheric engine of that 1.5 times capacity.


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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2010, 08:13:33 pm »
James, the turbo motor in the RDX has actually 2.3 liters of displacement, not 2.4.
Thanks for noticing the error, I will fix

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2010, 07:17:54 pm »
Would the VW Tiguan be a close competitor as well?
Thoughts anyone?     ;)

In fact, I did cross shop between Tiguan Highline and RDX as they are similar in pricing ( Tiguan Highline vs RDX). RDX does have a good price for all the features it offers. However, the front end styling is a total let down (I guess that is subjective). I much prefer the understated german design with a hint of luxury on both the exterior and interior of the Tiguan. That's why I went with the Tiguan Highline at the end, enjoying every second of it right now! It has great quality; leather is really nice, interior plastic superb quality, very close to Audi quality indeed (I have a 07 A4 as well) . In fact, you'll be amazed at the amount of features the Highline has to offer compared to the base and mid model. Definitely recommend people who shop for RDX to check out the Tiguan Highline with Sport Package.

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2010, 07:28:01 am »
Shame the RDX burns more fuel than the already-thirsty MDX in the real world. 

I think both the RDX and the CX-7 make a compelling case against the use of a turbo 4 in a vehicle of this kind.  Both would benefit in terms of drivability from a V6 - and the fuel economy penalty would likely be close to nil.

They put the wrong engine to the wrong car.

RDX is an SUV, it should be using a V6 from the TSX, and it matches with the automatic.

TSX is a sport sedan, it should be using the turbo 4 from the RDX, give it tuning for more HP, and put the 6 speed manual there.

I am with you here.  A turbo-4 AWD 6MT TSX is the car I dreamed Acura would build to eat Audi's lunch.  Of course, I also dreamed they would contract out the styling to Mazda ... Nissan... Hyundai.... just about anyone....

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2010, 05:03:49 pm »
Would the VW Tiguan be a close competitor as well?
Thoughts anyone?     ;)

In fact, I did cross shop between Tiguan Highline and RDX as they are similar in pricing ( Tiguan Highline vs RDX). RDX does have a good price for all the features it offers. However, the front end styling is a total let down (I guess that is subjective). I much prefer the understated german design with a hint of luxury on both the exterior and interior of the Tiguan. That's why I went with the Tiguan Highline at the end, enjoying every second of it right now! It has great quality; leather is really nice, interior plastic superb quality, very close to Audi quality indeed (I have a 07 A4 as well) . In fact, you'll be amazed at the amount of features the Highline has to offer compared to the base and mid model. Definitely recommend people who shop for RDX to check out the Tiguan Highline with Sport Package.



I do like this VW.....hope the repair record keeps improving....fingers crossed.    ;)

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2010, 08:38:46 pm »
WRONG WRONG WRONG motor. Who wants a raspy, thirsty 4 cylinder turbo in a vehicle with luxury pretensions? What advantage is there over a nice Honda V6? I'll take a V6 RAV4 , have extra seats in a pinch, some extra money left over, and leave this in the dust.

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2010, 08:54:51 pm »
I think this is one of the better looking vehicles in Acura's line-up, but considering how the rest of their vehicles, I guess it isn't saying too much.  Still, the interior looks nice, if a bit cramped and the steering wheel attractive.  Small detail, but I don't like companies are moving to this design for side view mirrors - too chunky imo.  It looks fantastic on a Porsche 911, not so hot here..

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Re: 2010 Acura RDX w/Tech; Day 1
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2010, 02:44:15 pm »
As a former Acura Owner I'm not a fan of the company for various reasons but I like this little unit. Compact, comfortable and not bad looking. As someone said though, the engine needs to be swapped with the V6 TSX.  OH, and it's way too expensive!

IMO Acura has lost it's way and, although I have no stats, I'll bet it's losing market share. They offer nothing that you can't get from other manufacturers for less money.

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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2010, 11:14:15 pm »
I have owned and loved the '09 RDX for a year now. All around it is a great package. The engine is a strong point because it offers wicked amounts of power when and where you want it. It eats more gas if you are heavy on the throttle, which most are because it is amusing. Everyone cried about gas mileage with the 12.5/100k in the city numbers. I get that if I don't abuse the throttle without any problems.

Have a look at all the city numbers for all the vehicles that you have mentioned, such as V6 Rav 4 (with it's lovely economy car interior, and clearly not a driving enthusiast's first choice), Tiguan (far less power performance and cheaper looking, Golf themed interior), Mazda CX-7 (I drove it too- cheap interior, rough ride, low quality feel-totally justifies its much lower price). The cost significance in the difference of fuel consumption over 100km is like $1-$2 for the 100km. After driving all of these vehicles and others, the Acura is where most would want to spend their money.

The RDX weighs almost 4,000lb, so the TSX V6 that everyone keeps thinking would get better mileage in the RDX than a turbo 4 is totally lost. It won't happen. They would likely be so similar that the swap would be a waste. Also, the 260tq that the turbo puts out at low revs compared to a larger displacement V6 that would have to rev way higher to achieve is a silly argument.

I raced a Rav 4 V6, all it saw was RDX tail lights, as did an RSX-Type S, which is what I drove before getting the RDX.

The only real competition for the RDX is the Infinity EX, Merc GLK, BMW X3, or Audi Q5. Go check the numbers, all of which are very similar for fuel economy, regardless of the optional engines (excluding diesels-and their lack of performance). Each of these vehicles offers something unique the others don't. Some are nicer than RDX (like the GLK and Q5), but don't kid yourselves, none are cheaper, however the EX is dead even for cost. The X3 doesn't even come with leather seats while starting at a price similar to the RDX, and the Merc gets way costlier than the RDX real fast.

Anyway, the fuel economy in this thing could be better, but this vehicle is meant for people who like to actually 'drive'. You want to save $1 on gas over a 100k in a Rav 4, go right ahead, the additional savings in sticker price of your choice is because it is not remotely in the same class as the RDX....for anything. Same goes for the CR-V.

By the way, everyone who rides in my RDX loves it, women and men alike, as well as my friends who still drive small hot hatches or Subaru WRXs. AND the SH-AWD in this thing with the winter knobbies on makes the snow covered roads/highways of Halifax feel like a summer day.
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