Topic: 2010 Acura TSX V6 Tech; Day 1

[DF]

Honda used to be an engineering tour de force decades ago!  It is time they bring in valvetronic and/or gasoline direct injection.

[Loudpedal]

Honda used to be an engineering tour de force decades ago!  It is time they bring in valvetronic and/or gasoline direct injection.

Arguably, IMO Honda VTEC rewrote the rules and set the bar for variable valve timing in the mainstream marketplace.  Their i-VTEC continues on that theme, and all makers are equally playing that technology game.   

Having said that, I completely agree about Honda and direct injection.   I think its puzzling why Honda has not introduced it.  Especially considering that Honda is first and foremost an engine company, and was a leader in efficient power and low consumption engines.   DI delivers both of those, and its technology is not unproven, nor is the cost prohibitive.   

Hey Honda...a little more engineers on the powerplant development side, and a little less designers on the freaky a$$ design side please.     

[Jaeger]

$40K seems a bit high for a TSX (without the tech package) but then again a Mazda6 GT V6 is $37K. Is $3K for the Acura badge excessive? I'm sure many folks could argue it is not. I personally think both price tags are too much but clearly both manufacturers think (hope?) there are folks ready to pay the admission price.

But then again, how much more would it take to get you into a G37 with about 50 more hp, the choice of a 7 speed auto or manual transmission and the choice of RWD or AWD?  And no ugly beak?  Would that not be worth, say, a $3k premium over the 5-cog slushbox-only FWD TSX?

Jaeger

[dasiuyan]

$40K seems a bit high for a TSX (without the tech package) but then again a Mazda6 GT V6 is $37K. Is $3K for the Acura badge excessive? I'm sure many folks could argue it is not. I personally think both price tags are too much but clearly both manufacturers think (hope?) there are folks ready to pay the admission price.

But then again, how much more would it take to get you into a G37 with about 50 more hp, the choice of a 7 speed auto or manual transmission and the choice of RWD or AWD?  And no ugly beak?  Would that not be worth, say, a $3k premium over the 5-cog slushbox-only FWD TSX?

Jaeger

I agree with you from my the bottom of my car enthusiast heart that G37 is a no brainner choice for performance and handling. However, I found that (at least from my small world) general public tends to like FWD more; may be it is the cost of maintenance or use to be driving FWD since day 1!?

[Benhaze]

$40K seems a bit high for a TSX (without the tech package) but then again a Mazda6 GT V6 is $37K. Is $3K for the Acura badge excessive? I'm sure many folks could argue it is not. I personally think both price tags are too much but clearly both manufacturers think (hope?) there are folks ready to pay the admission price.

But then again, how much more would it take to get you into a G37 with about 50 more hp, the choice of a 7 speed auto or manual transmission and the choice of RWD or AWD?  And no ugly beak?  Would that not be worth, say, a $3k premium over the 5-cog slushbox-only FWD TSX?

Jaeger

$5K more for the G37 AWD for same level of equipment. Trust me, I know!    Problem with the G37 RWD is the open differential on the base model (a shame!). You have to get the Sport M6 for $5K more too.

[Jaeger]

$40K seems a bit high for a TSX (without the tech package) but then again a Mazda6 GT V6 is $37K. Is $3K for the Acura badge excessive? I'm sure many folks could argue it is not. I personally think both price tags are too much but clearly both manufacturers think (hope?) there are folks ready to pay the admission price.

But then again, how much more would it take to get you into a G37 with about 50 more hp, the choice of a 7 speed auto or manual transmission and the choice of RWD or AWD?  And no ugly beak?  Would that not be worth, say, a $3k premium over the 5-cog slushbox-only FWD TSX?

Jaeger

$5K more for the G37 AWD for same level of equipment. Trust me, I know!    Problem with the G37 RWD is the open differential on the base model (a shame!). You have to get the Sport M6 for $5K more too.

Yeah but you don't have to get all the same electronic toys.  The "extra equipment" of 50 hp and 7 speed auto starts at less than $40k.  G37X AWD starts at 42.5 - not $5k more.

For me, I'd find the extra 5k for the G Sport 6MT - something you can't get with the TSX no matter how much you spend. .  I know that's still real money, but it's less of a difference at over 40k than it is at under 20k.  Just the choice iI would make - others may choose differently.

Jaeger

[Benhaze]

A very good sound system is very important to me so no choice but to buy the premium package. Besides, I wouldn't want to try to resale it a few years down the road without it. Frankly this package is a must if you are going to spend $42.5K on a car.

But I completely understand you.

[Alex]

Wow, not impressed.  Aren't there rumors that a Sonata 4-cyl Turbo will get about the same HP figures? I don't think the torque figures will match but, still, the Acura not worth $40K+ imo..  Sure, different classes entirely but it looks like the Sonata Turbo will have more interior room, similar HP, a better warranty, a better looking interior imo and better fuel efficiency.  Honda should have followed Hyundai and gone with a 4-cyl turbo (assuming one to be released)

I'm about as big a brand snob as you'll find but at this point, I'd take a LOT of other cars over this, including a Turbo Sonata..

[Shnak]

A $30k base TSX makes sense to me. A $35k loaded TSX makes sense to me. A $40k TSX regardless of the engine doesn't make sense at all. As others have said, at $40k, you get into serious car competition, mainly the G37 and 3-series.

I hope Acura is agressive with the pricing of its TSX Touring... at $35k well-equipped with its 4-cylinder engine, it would sell well. If they only make a V6 fully-equipped model available, à la Crosstour, I will be very dissapointed. 

[kirm]

A sampling of comments thus far:

"$43K for this.  Yikes !! "

"Really, honestly preferred the old TSX."

"Just seems like a wrong move in my opinion"

"What disappoints me the most with this car is:" followed by list

"But, this car barely registers for me"

"Wow, not impressed."

Ha ha! As a former Acura owner I have to agree with what seems to be evident to most people. Overpriced, over-hyped, overweight crapola. My Acura was the biggest automotive disappointment of my life and the day I traded it in was a very good day. Luckily for me there are still suckers (fanboys) out there who "believe" in Acura. If it wasn't for them I never would have gotten my trade-in target. Thanks and enjoy!

Oh and for those of you who like to talk of Acura's "legendary quality", forget it. It's gone too.  Never again with the overpriced Honda.

[Julie]

$40K seems a bit high for a TSX (without the tech package) but then again a Mazda6 GT V6 is $37K. Is $3K for the Acura badge excessive? I'm sure many folks could argue it is not. I personally think both price tags are too much but clearly both manufacturers think (hope?) there are folks ready to pay the admission price.

But then again, how much more would it take to get you into a G37 with about 50 more hp, the choice of a 7 speed auto or manual transmission and the choice of RWD or AWD?  And no ugly beak?  Would that not be worth, say, a $3k premium over the 5-cog slushbox-only FWD TSX?

Jaeger

I can't seem the like the new generation Acuras, no matter how hard I try. 

I agree with Jaeger here.  The G37 seems like the clear winner to me in this price range.

EDIT:  Oops, stupid me.  Didn't finish reading the thread - sorry!  Oh well.  Benhaze, start your own, "What should I replace my wife's car with??" thread 

[Mitlov]

I have to agree on the bashing of the new TSX--and it's sad, because I loved the first-gen.  But I just don't see why anyone would choose a TSX V6 over a G37 or a Nissan Maxima or a Volkswagen CC or a Lincoln MKZ AWD...there are too many good cars in this price point for the TSX to win, IMO.

[Benhaze]

$40K seems a bit high for a TSX (without the tech package) but then again a Mazda6 GT V6 is $37K. Is $3K for the Acura badge excessive? I'm sure many folks could argue it is not. I personally think both price tags are too much but clearly both manufacturers think (hope?) there are folks ready to pay the admission price.

But then again, how much more would it take to get you into a G37 with about 50 more hp, the choice of a 7 speed auto or manual transmission and the choice of RWD or AWD?  And no ugly beak?  Would that not be worth, say, a $3k premium over the 5-cog slushbox-only FWD TSX?

Jaeger

I can't seem the like the new generation Acuras, no matter how hard I try. 

I agree with Jaeger here.  The G37 seems like the clear winner to me in this price range.

EDIT:  Oops, stupid me.  Didn't finish reading the thread - sorry!  Oh well.  Benhaze, start your own, "What should I replace my wife's car with??" thread 

LOL! I did think about it several times...    It could be a long thread though...   

[Jaeger]

I have to agree on the bashing of the new TSX--and it's sad, because I loved the first-gen.  But I just don't see why anyone would choose a TSX V6 over a G37 or a Nissan Maxima or a Volkswagen CC or a Lincoln MKZ AWD...there are too many good cars in this price point for the TSX to win, IMO.

So did I.  Darned near bought it the last time around, too.

Jaeger

[Julie]

$40K seems a bit high for a TSX (without the tech package) but then again a Mazda6 GT V6 is $37K. Is $3K for the Acura badge excessive? I'm sure many folks could argue it is not. I personally think both price tags are too much but clearly both manufacturers think (hope?) there are folks ready to pay the admission price.

But then again, how much more would it take to get you into a G37 with about 50 more hp, the choice of a 7 speed auto or manual transmission and the choice of RWD or AWD?  And no ugly beak?  Would that not be worth, say, a $3k premium over the 5-cog slushbox-only FWD TSX?

Jaeger

I can't seem the like the new generation Acuras, no matter how hard I try. 

I agree with Jaeger here.  The G37 seems like the clear winner to me in this price range.

EDIT:  Oops, stupid me.  Didn't finish reading the thread - sorry!  Oh well.  Benhaze, start your own, "What should I replace my wife's car with??" thread 

LOL! I did think about it several times...    It could be a long thread though...   

The longer the better!      Dooooooooooooooooooooo ittttttttttttttttt!

[vdk]

$40K seems a bit high for a TSX (without the tech package) but then again a Mazda6 GT V6 is $37K. Is $3K for the Acura badge excessive? I'm sure many folks could argue it is not. I personally think both price tags are too much but clearly both manufacturers think (hope?) there are folks ready to pay the admission price.

But then again, how much more would it take to get you into a G37 with about 50 more hp, the choice of a 7 speed auto or manual transmission and the choice of RWD or AWD?  And no ugly beak?  Would that not be worth, say, a $3k premium over the 5-cog slushbox-only FWD TSX?

Jaeger

I can't seem the like the new generation Acuras, no matter how hard I try. 

I agree with Jaeger here.  The G37 seems like the clear winner to me in this price range.

EDIT:  Oops, stupid me.  Didn't finish reading the thread - sorry!  Oh well.  Benhaze, start your own, "What should I replace my wife's car with??" thread 

LOL! I did think about it several times...    It could be a long thread though...   

The longer the better!      Dooooooooooooooooooooo ittttttttttttttttt!

Who said size doesn't count..