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$1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« on: February 09, 2010, 02:48:07 pm »
A cautionary tale?  Or out right rip off?

I am not sure how a November rental can be claimed as an Olympic rip off.  But besides that slant to the article, there are some interesting points:

Not trying to defend Budget but...

Chip is below the line of sight, so therefore probably in the high heat area from the defroster.  This may make it more vulnerable to actually cracking;

Cost must include time the vehicle would not be available for renting.  As a business owner, that is what I would say.  It's not just the cost to replace the windshield, there is lost revenue while the vehicle is being repaired;

Did the renter do a detailed inspection before taking the vehicle?  This is a must when renting.  Document every little thing, with the rental company present.  After you drive away, the car is in your care, you are responsible.

But it is telling that there are more than a few BBB complaints against Budget in the Lower Mainland.  Maybe something to this one.

From:http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/02/08/bc-budgetbill.html

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Vancouver car-rental customer warns of gouging

Budget franchise billed visitor $1,100 for tiny windshield chip

Last Updated: Tuesday, February 9, 2010
By Kathy Tomlinson CBC News


This photo, from the Budget car rental outlet, shows the small windshield chip it wants Galpin to pay for. (CBC)

An Edmonton businessman is warning Olympic visitors to beware of getting gouged by car rental companies. Jim Galpin was recently presented with a $1,100 bill to repair a windshield chip on a Vancouver rental car, a cost he believes is grossly inflated.

"I thought it was ridiculous," Galpin said in an interview. "I'm concerned that charges for damages like this could be a real lucrative revenue generator — when you have the number of people who are coming into Vancouver in the next few weeks over the Olympic period."

Galpin rented a Kia Rio from a Richmond, B.C., franchise of Budget Car and Truck Rentals in November. He said the booking agent told him a courier would deliver the car to him at Vancouver's south terminal, where his flight was arriving.

He said he was told to return the car to the terminal when he finished with it, and it would be picked up later.

"I said, 'I don't need to bring it in to be checked or anything?' 'No,' they said, 'just leave the keys and we'll pick it up.' I thought it was a little strange, but I've rented from Budget before and I thought, 'OK, if that's the way they do it.'"

After dropping off the car, Galpin was about to fly out of Vancouver, when Budget called, informing him the windshield was damaged.

"I was very suspicious," he recalled. "I thought this was very strange. I drove the car for two days. There was nothing on the windshield."

Galpin later told franchise manager David Chang that Budget must be mistaken. Chang then sent Galpin a picture showing a tiny chip in the windshield, with no cracks, below the driver's eye line.

"I almost fell off the chair," Galpin said. "I thought, what on Earth? I couldn't even find the thing for a few minutes."

Still, he was resigned to paying for a chip repair.

"I thought how chintzy is that? But if that's what they want to do, fine. Bill me $25 or $30 or whatever it is. Lesson learned — I will never rent from you again."

Then Chang then informed him the entire windshield needed to be replaced, at a cost $1,000, plus tax.

Customer fully responsible: manager


"Mr. Galpin did not purchase any coverage with Budget Rent a Car and he is fully responsible for anything that happened to the vehicle," David Chang wrote in an email to the Better Business Bureau, where Galpin has filed a complaint.

Chang gave a written breakdown of the estimated repair cost, totalling $1,110.26.

Galpin said he is covered for rental-car damage through his Alberta vehicle insurance policy. But instead of making a claim, he is simply refusing to pay the bill.

"I think this matter is absurd," Galpin wrote in an email to Chang. "There is no way I should be charged for the cost of a windshield replacement on this vehicle and I have no intention of paying this cost."

Galpin believes Budget is trying to take advantage of him.

"You know, they only get so much revenue from renting a vehicle, but if you're able to pull this off, with a little chip you can't see, it could be very lucrative," he said.

CBC News surveyed windshield repair outlets Crystal Glass and Speedy Auto Glass, which quoted a price of $25 to $60 to repair a small chip with no cracks. The repair shops also estimated a windshield replacement on a Kia Rio should not cost more than $750.

"I think [the Budget outlet] could have picked up an extra $1,000 or $1,100 in revenue and never bothered replacing the windshield — or just spent the $25 or whatever it is to do the chip repair and kept the rest."

CBC News tried to contact Chang and CEO Bill Ung, who run several Budget franchise outlets in B.C.'s Lower Mainland under The Phelps Group, but they didn't respond.

Records from the Better Business Bureau show more complaints have been filed about Budget agencies than any other car rental company in the Vancouver area — 66 in the last three years. In nine recent complaints to the bureau about car rental companies, the consumers claim they were overcharged for damage.

In one case last April, involving a Budget outlet at the Vancouver airport, the customer complained of being billed $575 for a small chip on a windshield.

Insurance recommended


A spokesperson for the Insurance Corporation of B.C. said the government-owned insurance company would never pay for a windshield replacement if all that was needed was a chip repair.

"Those kind of claims are almost never brought to us," Adam Grossman said. "If they were, we would go back to the rental car company and tell them what we think the damage costs and work on behalf of our customers that way."

Grossman advised visitors renting cars for the Games to make sure they have full insurance to cover any damage claims. He said people often don't realize they are already covered in their home province or country for car rentals, if they have optional coverage on their own vehicle. Many people also have coverage through their credit cards, he said.

"You should be asking your insurance company whether you are already covered and certainly compare it to what is being offered directly by the rental car company," said Grossman.

"The value of having [your own] insurance is that you don't end up in situations like this. If you are unfortunate enough to have a claim against you, then at least there's an insurance company there to represent you during that claim."

Chang had encouraged Galpin to contact his credit-card company to see if it would cover the bill. Instead, Galpin cancelled his credit card to try to stop Budget from putting the charge through.

"He was kind of pushing me — to phone my credit-card company to see if I had the coverage under there.

"I guess you know if you can put it through on your credit card and your insurance pays for it, then they figure the customer isn't out. But, I just don't think it's right."

No comment from Budget

CBC News asked the corporate head office of Avis Budget in the U.S. for an interview but received an email reply instead, indicating damage claims at Budget franchises are not the corporation's responsibility.

"Licensees own, maintain and insure their own fleet," wrote an Avis Budget spokesperson. "As such, they subrogate damages independently of the corporation. We cannot comment on their behalf but we have put Mr. Galpin in touch with the licensee."

Several consumer websites also list complaints about damage charges from rental car companies, but most of those cases are in the U.S. Consumer advocates on those sites recommend people take their own pictures of rental vehicles if they drop them off at remote locations or after hours.

Galpin hopes his experience will serve as a cautionary tale for international visitors to Vancouver during the Olympics.

"I would think that the people of Vancouver or certainly the Vancouver tourism people would be a little upset if they knew this type of thing went on," Galpin said.




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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 03:53:32 pm »
Out right rip-off would be my vote.
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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2010, 04:00:55 pm »
Out right rip-off would be my vote.
Yup.  Proof that chips can quickly turn into gouges!
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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2010, 05:23:19 pm »
Yup rip off.

Any insurance appraiser worth anything would ream out a bodyshop suggesting afull replacment for a chip that small out of line of sight.

Its a no brainer to get it filled so it won't spider. $50

I had a rock hit the windshield of a brand new (35km on it ) Allure from Avivs a couple years ago. It for sure could not be just filled. It was like $750 or somthing. Not cheap (they are making money off it the whole sale cost is quite a bit less I know)

The rental was for work so they billed my credit card, I exppensed the charge and sent the paperwork in to let our isnurance fight it out. Don't know what the outcome was..don't really care.

I have several loyalty cards with different renal companies. I can just walk out and pick up the car but I always do my own walk around and will not drive off if I see anything without going back to the counter and making them note it. I also do a walk around when I drop off. Sometimes they don't check the car until well after you drop it off. Once they take possetion of my keys its on them. That's why I hate ever dropping it off after hours.

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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2010, 06:06:26 pm »
Add Budget to my list of "NEVER, EVER do business with."

Ever.  I'll also pass this along to everyone I know.
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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2010, 06:56:14 pm »
I doubt it was actually repaired.
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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2010, 06:59:11 pm »
I always do a walk-around inspection with the rental rep.   I have the rep note every single defect I spot on the agreement.  I keep a copy and they have a copy.  I don't think they like me but never had a problem with frivolous damage claims.  

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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2010, 07:03:01 pm »
C'mon...a rental car company trying to hose a renter for a minor chip, scratch, etc?  That NEVER happens.....

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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2010, 08:12:12 pm »
..Damn those PRESCRIPTION WINDSHIELDS........... :o :o :o :o 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2010, 08:35:02 pm »
I'm not saying this isn't a scam, but I do believe that even tiny chips can't be repaired if they are too close to the edge of the windshield.

Not that it would excuse Budget for going after the guy to the tune of $1,100, but it is at least possible that the chip can't be safely repaired.

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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2010, 10:26:31 pm »
Cost must include time the vehicle would not be available for renting.  As a business owner, that is what I would say.  It's not just the cost to replace the windshield, there is lost revenue while the vehicle is being repaired;

Even if this were the case (and it's not unreasonable, imo):

Budget's quote to replace windshield: $1100
Actual quote to replace windshield: $750 (max, I'm sure third-party replacements are available for much cheaper).

According to budget's website, to rent a compact like a Kia Rio costs $20/day.

Therefore, Budget thinks it takes 17.5 days to replace a windshield.  :o

Sounds like a rip-off no matter how you cut it, imo.

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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2010, 02:02:17 am »
Damages charged to rental customers like scratches, minor dents and windshield dents are NOT repaired.  They are sold to third parties in "as in" condition.  The charges are for "assumed depreciation" that the rental company has suffered.

I didn't read the story that closely, but I don't recall that the car was reported as actually repaired.  Without doubt, if it was not for this story the next customer to rent this particular vehicle would receive the same scam.

Here's what you must do:  Walk the car with the rental dude and get all the blemishes marked.  Essentially if the car is more than a few weeks hold the little damage sheet will have circles all over it.  Then when you drop the car off get the next rental dude to check the car.  The guy will glance at the car from a distance and sign off on the original damage sheet.  You are now 100% covered.

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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2010, 09:37:24 am »
Even walking around the car with the rep, it is doubtful that such a small blemish would be noticed. How can you be responsible for something like that. Not a good way to go after business I would have thought.

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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2010, 03:16:32 pm »
Cost must include time the vehicle would not be available for renting.  As a business owner, that is what I would say.  It's not just the cost to replace the windshield, there is lost revenue while the vehicle is being repaired;

Even if this were the case (and it's not unreasonable, imo):

Budget's quote to replace windshield: $1100
Actual quote to replace windshield: $750 (max, I'm sure third-party replacements are available for much cheaper).

According to budget's website, to rent a compact like a Kia Rio costs $20/day.

Therefore, Budget thinks it takes 17.5 days to replace a windshield.  :o

Sounds like a rip-off no matter how you cut it, imo.


 :iagree:  sounds like a total rip off. Question... Do you have to accept the rental companies estimate to repair? could you not get a few quotes or insist on them providing 3 quotes? especialy if you declined their additional coverage?
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Re: $1,100 Bill for Windshield Replacement from Budget Car Rental
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2010, 02:14:17 pm »
I am sure also the $750 is "book" replacement cost (insurance rip off).  I have a glass guy that would replace the entire thing for $250.

If it was heated, or reflective for a HUD, that's a different story.  The windshield estimate they gave was 10% of the price for the entire car.