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Re: Honda is recalling 646,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide, fire warning
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2010, 08:35:25 pm »
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HONDA ALREADY KNEW THE PROBLEM EXISTED BUT DID NOTHING UNTIL NOW.

OK hot shot: you're the lead engineer on the Fit. Scattered reports begin to come in that there might be a problem with the car. You dutifully look into the problem, collecting information as best you can and trying to determine the exact problem and what causes it. This is difficult, because there are so few incidents, so you probably have to wait some time before you can actually accomplish anything. Eventually, you manage to determine the cause of the problem. You set about engineering a fix, which also takes time, since you have to figure out where the error was in the original design and correct it.

That done, you talk to your boss and approve the ordering of 600 000 new parts, to replace the existing parts in all those Fits that have already sold. This might require the factory to retool its assembly line, depending on the severity of the problem and how complicated the fix is. Then they have to manufacture 600 000+ of those units, so that they have them available to ship out once the recall is announced.

Finally, the Service departments at thousands of Honda dealerships need to be notified, the techs trained, and stock shipped out. Then Honda can announce a recall, and bring all those cars in and have them fixed with a minimum of downtime and time to the owner.

Your assertion that Honda "knew" but "did nothing" is not only wrong, but completely and utterly idiotic. It demonstrates a complete and utter lack of consideration for the way the world works: Honda cannot simply wave a magic wand and fix 600 000 cars. It takes time to address a problem, especially when you're a company with operations in dozens of countries around the world and 600 000 potentially affected units. This fix does not happen overnight.

I've no problem with your paranoia - as crazy as it is, you're welcome to it - but I do have a problem with your slandering a company based on insane assumptions about how the world works. At least Honda isn't lying to you: they never said "There's no problem" - they said "There's a problem, we're working on a fix".

But this aint Hogwarts - Honda isn't some magical fairy that can correct all wrongs with a wave of a twig. I don't know what's so difficult to grasp about that fact... ???

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Re: Honda is recalling 646,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide, fire warning
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2010, 09:26:47 pm »
My inside source said a week ago there still has no fix

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Re: Honda is recalling 646,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide, fire warning
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2010, 02:58:13 pm »
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HONDA ALREADY KNEW THE PROBLEM EXISTED BUT DID NOTHING UNTIL NOW.

OK hot shot: you're the lead engineer on the Fit. Scattered reports begin to come in that there might be a problem with the car. You dutifully look into the problem, collecting information as best you can and trying to determine the exact problem and what causes it. This is difficult, because there are so few incidents, so you probably have to wait some time before you can actually accomplish anything. Eventually, you manage to determine the cause of the problem. You set about engineering a fix, which also takes time, since you have to figure out where the error was in the original design and correct it.

That done, you talk to your boss and approve the ordering of 600 000 new parts, to replace the existing parts in all those Fits that have already sold. This might require the factory to retool its assembly line, depending on the severity of the problem and how complicated the fix is. Then they have to manufacture 600 000+ of those units, so that they have them available to ship out once the recall is announced.

Finally, the Service departments at thousands of Honda dealerships need to be notified, the techs trained, and stock shipped out. Then Honda can announce a recall, and bring all those cars in and have them fixed with a minimum of downtime and time to the owner.

Your assertion that Honda "knew" but "did nothing" is not only wrong, but completely and utterly idiotic. It demonstrates a complete and utter lack of consideration for the way the world works: Honda cannot simply wave a magic wand and fix 600 000 cars. It takes time to address a problem, especially when you're a company with operations in dozens of countries around the world and 600 000 potentially affected units. This fix does not happen overnight.

I've no problem with your paranoia - as crazy as it is, you're welcome to it - but I do have a problem with your slandering a company based on insane assumptions about how the world works. At least Honda isn't lying to you: they never said "There's no problem" - they said "There's a problem, we're working on a fix".

But this aint Hogwarts - Honda isn't some magical fairy that can correct all wrongs with a wave of a twig. I don't know what's so difficult to grasp about that fact... ???

Brutha I get it and i'm not so dense that I would expect them to come up with a solution the second they had a complaint ...that wasn't my argument... the point was that Honda Knew a year ago what the problem was (faulty exposed circuit board) the Honda service manager knew then and warned us and told us there was a fix comming very soon. (therefore one would reasonably assume Honda knew yes?)
Fast forward 10 mos Reported problem actualy happens to my car (to lesser degree thank goodness) Honda Service manager baffled he hasn't heard anything more was expecting fix by now.
Forward 2mos NHTSA launches investigation for complaints of Honda not addressing the problem (and slow reaction) Honda announces recall (with NO fix yet) So how much time do they need exactly? How much time do you think is reasonable for a company to act on information they had (identified and isolated) well in advance (12mos or more) of a formal recall? when do you start to recognize it for what it is? .. plain and simple indifference.  Why is it ok that these manufacturers more often than not, wait to be told by NHTSA before acting.  It boils down to economics I get that too.  I'm just plain sick of the attitudes of the automakers.  Demo I respect your opinion, you are entitled to it same as anyone I just don't happen to agree. I hope your Honda serves you well and you never have any problems. I am upset with Honda because of the way this has been handled... to the point I will not buy another one (at the very least not anytime soon).  This is my personal way of saying this is unnacceptable, I choose not to be a lemming or line tow-er, I don't even have to be reasonable (being reasonable earned us no to slow reaction) Sometimes people have to be unreasonable to force change and accountability and at the end of it all Demo.... Honda won't miss me anyway lol
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Re: Honda is recalling 646,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide, fire warning
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2010, 05:01:11 pm »
..Jay quit already with the HISSY FITS it's unbecoming and unladylike.............. :stick: :think: :nono:...
THERE IS NO CURE FOR "LOTUS"......ONLY TREATMENT.....

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Re: Honda is recalling 646,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide, fire warning
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2010, 05:03:13 pm »
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Re: Honda is recalling 646,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide, fire warning
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2010, 07:20:39 pm »
Ya shoulda bought a VW.    Its power window regulators may break but it won't kill you.   :D




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Re: Honda is recalling 646,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide, fire warning
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2010, 08:46:29 pm »
Ya shoulda bought a VW.    Its power window regulators may break but it won't kill you.   :D





 :rofl: yup got one of those too (Jetta TDI)