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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #560 on: February 09, 2010, 12:20:34 pm »
Smart move to stop add in a papers / TV, with PVRs who watches adds anymore
Better to buy adds on car forums, like this

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #561 on: February 09, 2010, 12:42:07 pm »
Smart move to stop add in a papers / TV, with PVRs who watches adds anymore
Better to buy adds on car forums, like this

I'm guessing the Arctic crew have done well from this.
Didn't one just buy a Lexus? :D
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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #562 on: February 09, 2010, 12:52:42 pm »
This is what my wife said today about the brake thing on a Prius

"Toyota is made for people who want to go, not for people who want stop and smell the roses"

..well maybe not your wife, but no doubt a few Toyota owners have woke up to smell the roses.

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #563 on: February 09, 2010, 12:59:46 pm »
This is what my wife said today about the brake thing on a Prius

"Toyota is made for people who want to go, not for people who want stop and smell the roses"

..well maybe not your wife, but no doubt a few Toyota owners have woke up to smell the roses.



And it seems that wanting to stop and actually stopping are two separate issues.... :)

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #564 on: February 09, 2010, 01:13:02 pm »
Take Toyota bashing comments with a grain of salt    :)

James Daw
Business Columnist

Think like a shrewd investor when you hear anyone trashing Toyota’s hard-won reputation, or rattling your confidence in its cars.

The potential for ulterior motives and distortion is huge. Even U.S. President Barack Obama and his cabinet are not immune from suspicion here.

At stake in the handling of complaints about Toyota Motor Co. cars that may, in rare cases, accelerate unexpectedly is the administration’s political capital.

They want to maintain a reputation for guarding public health and safety with decisive action, and made much of requesting the automaker to stop selling and producing several models until a fix was found.

Yet, as The New York Times reported Sunday, U.S. safety regulators had conducted six separate probes over several years into consumer complaints.

None of these investigations found defects in Toyotas other than unsecured floor mats, which could just as easily be blamed on sloppy drivers. Three petitions for further investigation were denied.

But pressure for action soared last summer after broadcasts of a scary 911 emergency call from a passenger in a Toyota Lexus that was being driven by an off-duty highway patrol officer.

x “Our accelerator is stuck. We’re in trouble. There’s no brakes. We’re approaching the intersection. Hold on. Hold on and pray. Pray,” he said before the collision that killed him, the officer and two others in the car.

The incident was truly shocking, and evidence that even an experienced driver would not think to pull on the hand brake and put the transmission into neutral to stop.

Yet was Toyota any more deserving of extreme government action after regulators’ own inaction? Each year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration receives hundreds of complaints about vehicle speed and pedal controls in other makes of cars.

A graph in The Wall Street Journal Tuesday showed Toyota had 596 complaints in 2009, fewer than Ford Motor Co. in 2007 and 1999. The graph showed Toyota’s numbers soaring over the past 20 years, without relating the figures to the rising number of its vehicles on the road.

Dare we also point out that Obama’s administration invested $80 billion (U.S.) of public funds to save General Motors and Chrysler Group? Should we not wonder if any investor who buys 61 per cent of a company — which is what the U.S. owns of GM — is being totally impartial or dispassionate about a rival company?

The fine line between public guardian and alarmist was apparent Wednesday in remarks by U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, a rebranded Republican from Illinois.

Under pressure over his department’s handling of complaints about Toyota, LaHood reportedly blurted out: “If anybody owns one of these vehicles, stop driving it and take it to a Toyota dealer.”

Shortly afterward he recognized the ridiculousness of his statement. “What I said in there was a misstatement,” he told reporters outside the meeting room.

He had decided what he should have said was that owners concerned about unintended acceleration should seek out dealers for advice and necessary repairs.

Canada’s Transport Minister, John Baird, delivered a similarly self-serving platitude to a Bloomberg News reporter: “I would urge Canadian Toyota drivers who are affected by the recall to avoid taking risks and get the repair done quickly.”

We should also regard class-action lawyers, dramatic news stories and commentary with caution. We are all in it for the money. We all want attention. But we also need advertisers. None of us has the whole story yet.

Disclosure: I own a Pontiac, but it was designed by Toyota. I once also owned a purebred Toyota. It was recalled for a defective drive shaft. The resale value held up well after seven years, but not as well as a used Chevy Nova we once owned. It was badly rusted when we bought it cheaply, worse when we sold it. I loved my Ford Focus.

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #565 on: February 09, 2010, 01:27:41 pm »
oh James the saviour, the god, he knows it all.....never heard of him......so he says good things about Toyota naturally he's smart.

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« Reply #566 on: February 09, 2010, 01:37:01 pm »
That must be from an even weaker source than the Washington Examiner, since none was cited. Maybe Mr. Artic just wrote it himself.

Speaking of advertising, the New England Toyota dealers have started running some unintentionally hilarious TV ads in an attempt to get some people other than panic-stricken owners onto the dealer lots. They show images of the handful of models unaffected by the recall with a voiceover saying that "...over 10,000 "Safety Certified" Toyotas are ready for immediate delivery! And all have Toyota's "Star"* safety system installed!" If you can read the fine print* this is the usual standard-equipment stuff like ABS, stability control, etc, but they are touting it as something different, hoping to fool some potential buyers.

Poor devils...

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #567 on: February 09, 2010, 02:02:23 pm »
he he he...just a matter of time before they start promoting the brake overide system as an incredibly smart Toyota creation.

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #569 on: February 09, 2010, 03:22:18 pm »
Chris Matthews, CNBC: "You know, I forgot he was black tonight for an hour"
Jon Stewart: "This guy is one scotch away from being Ron Burgundy"

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #570 on: February 09, 2010, 03:27:38 pm »
Corolla steering investigation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6182FZ20100209

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/02/toyota-corolla-to-be-probed-for-steering-problems/1
Are they using the same electric power steering supplier as the Cobalt mentioned earlier in this thread?

no idea, maybe Arctic could tell us from his Automotive News subscription which has car cross sections and and who are the manufacturers.

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #571 on: February 09, 2010, 03:36:10 pm »
Toyota recalls 7,300 Camrys with potentially leaking brake tube

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According to the announcement made by Toyota late Monday night, the issue with the brake fluid tube begins when a crimp from the power steering hose comes in contact with the number seven front brake tube. If this occurs, the crimp can wear a hole in the brake tube over time and eventually lead to a loss of brake fluid.

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #572 on: February 09, 2010, 03:51:28 pm »
Baseball, Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Toyota? Not anymore.
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No, this story – the classic tale of a company’s intransigent arrogance and unbridled hubris – is going to play out in the days, months and years to come.
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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #573 on: February 09, 2010, 04:09:14 pm »
I'm starting to think Toyota pissed someone off, someone who's very high up...  :foil: :foil: :foil:

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #574 on: February 09, 2010, 04:28:25 pm »
Is this a manipulative tactics? I don't know but I find it smelly.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/09/toyota-dealers-pull-ads-on-abc-for-excessive-stories-on-recalls/

Don't know why anyone would have an issue with it.

Its their ad dollars. They will need new different ads to combat the sales decline. When sales decline in MANY industries companies slash costs like advertising.


The real problem would be if ABC capitulated to get the ad dollars back.

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #575 on: February 09, 2010, 05:19:02 pm »
Corolla steering investigation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6182FZ20100209

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/02/toyota-corolla-to-be-probed-for-steering-problems/1

Possible explanation for the steering problem (and maybe acceleration one too?)
Are Toyota Steering Problems Next?
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" notice the steeering wheel sometimes pulses only when my cell phone is...docked to the right of the steering wheel," wrote one Corolla driver in an official complaint on June 26, 2009. "It's strange I can sometimes tell if my Blackberry is going to ring or get an email. The steering wheel seems to shake or try to steer on its own. This is similar to my other 2009 Toyota Corolla that I resold to the dealer. I wonder if more shielding is needed to reduce any interference."

A guy at work has a Blackberry that makes the cheapo PC speakers in the office crackle when he is about to get a call - especially after he dropped it. My BB Tour doesn't nor does the others with BB Tours.
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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #576 on: February 09, 2010, 05:44:30 pm »
Corolla steering investigation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6182FZ20100209

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/02/toyota-corolla-to-be-probed-for-steering-problems/1
Are they using the same electric power steering supplier as the Cobalt mentioned earlier in this thread?

no idea, maybe Arctic could tell us from his Automotive News subscription which has car cross sections and and who are the manufacturers.

In the comments section here:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/09/toyota-corolla-reportedly-suffering-from-steering-woes/2#comments
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SkiD666  4:21PM (2/09/2010)

JTEKT (a subsidiary of Toyota) supplies electric power steering (EPS) systems for Corolla/Matrix/Vibe/RAV4/Venza/RX350 built in North America.

JTEKT is currently in litigation with GM because the EPS systems used in the Cobalt/G5/HHR/Equinox/Sky/Vue/Torrent are incurring higher than expected failures.
NHTSA has a file open on the Cobalts.

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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #577 on: February 09, 2010, 06:46:10 pm »
I'm starting to think Toyota pissed someone off, someone who's very high up...  :foil: :foil: :foil:

This all about giving Government Motors and Chrysler some breathing room all a result of some nutter in California.  It's truly FANTASTIC.

Want to experience real design and component defects, go buy a snowmobile.  hahaha
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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #578 on: February 09, 2010, 06:50:54 pm »
I'm starting to think Toyota pissed someone off, someone who's very high up...  :foil: :foil: :foil:

Shhhh..don't say that too loud.  You'll find tinfoil in your mailbox...
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Re: Toyota recall: 2.3 million cars......
« Reply #579 on: February 09, 2010, 07:04:37 pm »
Take Toyota bashing comments with a grain of salt    :)

James Daw
Business Columnist

Think like a shrewd investor when you hear anyone trashing Toyota’s hard-won reputation, or rattling your confidence in its cars.

The potential for ulterior motives and distortion is huge. Even U.S. President Barack Obama and his cabinet are not immune from suspicion here.

At stake in the handling of complaints about Toyota Motor Co. cars that may, in rare cases, accelerate unexpectedly is the administration’s political capital.

They want to maintain a reputation for guarding public health and safety with decisive action, and made much of requesting the automaker to stop selling and producing several models until a fix was found.

Yet, as The New York Times reported Sunday, U.S. safety regulators had conducted six separate probes over several years into consumer complaints.

None of these investigations found defects in Toyotas other than unsecured floor mats, which could just as easily be blamed on sloppy drivers. Three petitions for further investigation were denied.

But pressure for action soared last summer after broadcasts of a scary 911 emergency call from a passenger in a Toyota Lexus that was being driven by an off-duty highway patrol officer.

x “Our accelerator is stuck. We’re in trouble. There’s no brakes. We’re approaching the intersection. Hold on. Hold on and pray. Pray,” he said before the collision that killed him, the officer and two others in the car.

The incident was truly shocking, and evidence that even an experienced driver would not think to pull on the hand brake and put the transmission into neutral to stop.

Yet was Toyota any more deserving of extreme government action after regulators’ own inaction? Each year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration receives hundreds of complaints about vehicle speed and pedal controls in other makes of cars.

A graph in The Wall Street Journal Tuesday showed Toyota had 596 complaints in 2009, fewer than Ford Motor Co. in 2007 and 1999. The graph showed Toyota’s numbers soaring over the past 20 years, without relating the figures to the rising number of its vehicles on the road.

Dare we also point out that Obama’s administration invested $80 billion (U.S.) of public funds to save General Motors and Chrysler Group? Should we not wonder if any investor who buys 61 per cent of a company — which is what the U.S. owns of GM — is being totally impartial or dispassionate about a rival company?

The fine line between public guardian and alarmist was apparent Wednesday in remarks by U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, a rebranded Republican from Illinois.

Under pressure over his department’s handling of complaints about Toyota, LaHood reportedly blurted out: “If anybody owns one of these vehicles, stop driving it and take it to a Toyota dealer.”

Shortly afterward he recognized the ridiculousness of his statement. “What I said in there was a misstatement,” he told reporters outside the meeting room.

He had decided what he should have said was that owners concerned about unintended acceleration should seek out dealers for advice and necessary repairs.

Canada’s Transport Minister, John Baird, delivered a similarly self-serving platitude to a Bloomberg News reporter: “I would urge Canadian Toyota drivers who are affected by the recall to avoid taking risks and get the repair done quickly.”

We should also regard class-action lawyers, dramatic news stories and commentary with caution. We are all in it for the money. We all want attention. But we also need advertisers. None of us has the whole story yet.

Disclosure: I own a Pontiac, but it was designed by Toyota. I once also owned a purebred Toyota. It was recalled for a defective drive shaft. The resale value held up well after seven years, but not as well as a used Chevy Nova we once owned. It was badly rusted when we bought it cheaply, worse when we sold it. I loved my Ford Focus.



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