Topic: 2010: Honda CR-Z

[rrocket]

No problems here with an Si car with a turbo.  Local guy had a Greddy kit on his 2008 Si.  Made like 225WHP running minimal boost, and it didn't detract from any of the high revving goodness of the engine.  IMO the added TQ boost with the turbo does wonders for those Honda engines, as they're a bit limp wristed in that dept.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

I don't care if it's steam powered. A lighter, more powerful, non-hybrid CR-Z fixes the only real issue I had with the car.

[rrocket]

I don't care if it's steam powered. A lighter, more powerful, non-hybrid CR-Z fixes the only real issue I had with the car.

Why is it an issue with you?  0-60 9.3 seconds vs. the "more than adequate" 0-60 of 8.7 seconds for a sport sedan you recently defended.  Is that 5 tenths of a second your threshold between adequate and slow??   

[Sir Osis of Liver]

I don't care if it's steam powered. A lighter, more powerful, non-hybrid CR-Z fixes the only real issue I had with the car.

Why is it an issue with you?  0-60 9.3 seconds vs. the "more than adequate" 0-60 of 8.7 seconds for a sport sedan you recently defended.  Is that 5 tenths of a second your threshold between adequate and slow??   

Point of order, I've always said "adequate" no more, no less.

Given how poorly they maintain the roads here in winter, both may be out. We were scraping the floorpan of the Outback on our street for days. Lady Osis thinks a used Mark LT is the ticket.

[rrocket]

Given how poorly they maintain the roads here in winter, both may be out. We were scraping the floorpan of the Outback on our street for days. Lady Osis thinks a used Mark LT is the ticket.

I saw since you're paying, you get to pick!!  STi FTW!!!  Or possibly a Forester XT?? 

Mark LT....LOL...too funny.

[Mitlov]

No problems here with an Si car with a turbo.  Local guy had a Greddy kit on his 2008 Si.  Made like 225WHP running minimal boost, and it didn't detract from any of the high revving goodness of the engine.  IMO the added TQ boost with the turbo does wonders for those Honda engines, as they're a bit limp wristed in that dept.

News flash: the former owner of CTC's biggest turbocharger likes turbochargers.  Full story at ten.

[rrocket]

No problems here with an Si car with a turbo.  Local guy had a Greddy kit on his 2008 Si.  Made like 225WHP running minimal boost, and it didn't detract from any of the high revving goodness of the engine.  IMO the added TQ boost with the turbo does wonders for those Honda engines, as they're a bit limp wristed in that dept.

News flash: the former owner of CTC's biggest turbocharger likes turbochargers.  Full story at ten.

Well I know you've never been in a VTEC with a turbo.  If you had, you'd change your mind.  I don't see why you think having all of the attributes of the high revving Honda VTEC mills with an additional 50-125HP (and glorious TQ) is a bad thing.  Does not affect driveability in the least.  Make a great engine into a stupendous engine.

[G0dspd]

I don't see it being a big deal that ANY car model offers a choice of hybrid and conventional engines.  I imagine some day all model may have that option.

I don't object to the CR-Z having a hybrid engine.  The only two things I've objected to are:
(1)  The CR-Z's current drivetrain, which is underwhelming on both the power and the fuel economy fronts.  I don't mind A hybrid engine, just THIS hybrid engine. ...

IMHO the automotive industry is getting ahead of itself with hybrids.  You can shove batteries into a people mover (mid-size sedan/compact sedan/smaller SUVs-crossovers) and it won't significantly affect the features that lured a potential buyer in the showroom.  When you're moving away from "generic" vehicles and into more focused segments, it's another story.  The CR-Z is a good example.  Hybrid guy/girl will find it unpractical and the sporty guy/girl will find it underwhelming.  Honda should have introduced a regular gas model first and then the hybrid. 

There's nothing wrong with trying to introduce hybrids into new segments.  I'm sure manufacturers are working hard on new applications because of the upcoming CAFE regulations.  You would think that someone would have tried something in the minivan segment ... too expensive?

Well I know you've never been in a VTEC with a turbo.  If you had, you'd change your mind.  I don't see why you think having all of the attributes of the high revving Honda VTEC mills with an additional 50-125HP (and glorious TQ) is a bad thing.  Does not affect driveability in the least.  Make a great engine into a stupendous engine.

Any torque steer?

[rrocket]

Any torque steer?

More like a tug.  It was minimal boost.  It feels nearly identical to a non turbo SI...just beefier.  The beauty with modern tuning tool and electronic boost control is that you can map when to make boost and pair it with the VTEC transition.  It works very, very well.  Imagine the way a VTEC car drives (well a VTEC car feels like a turbo car to me already..nothing going on below 5,000RPM! LOL ).  But just more power everywhere...and more TQ.  Still pulls to redline and screams...just more power everywhere.

If you look at this plot from an RSX with a Greddy (their kits rule, IMO) you can see the red curve looks close to the stock blue curve.  Look at the robust TQ curve..and the TQ is as flat as you'll see from a turbo car.  Like stock...just MORE!!

[Shnak]

I don't care if it's steam powered. A lighter, more powerful, non-hybrid CR-Z fixes the only real issue I had with the car.

What, that the fuel economy was too good?