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Re: Motoring Memories: Ford Pinto, 1971-1979
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2010, 04:33:39 am »
I do recall (??) that some internal documents of Ford's that were leaked to the press, indicated that Ford was aware of a small/inexpensive fix to the gas tank problem, but Ford chose to ignore it for that sake of a few dollars per car. Am I wrong in this recollection? [/quote]

I remember reading that the cost to install a shield was $11/car. The memo said that it would be cheaper to pay the lawsuits. Ironically (and tragically for the victims) the lawsuits cost much more in the long run including the intangible cost of loss of trust by the consumer. It may not have been worse than other small cars, but this was one of Corporate America's most dismal examples of runaway bean counting. Case closed...
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Re: Motoring Memories: Ford Pinto, 1971-1979
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2010, 05:31:50 am »
I remember reading that as well... I wonder if it was an "urban myth"
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Re: Motoring Memories: Ford Pinto, 1971-1979
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2010, 12:45:05 pm »
It's an urban myth. Here's a rather long analysis from Rutgers Law Review. Page 1020 is were they discuss the myth itself.

Here's the Cole's notes version:

However, a 1991 law review paper by Gary Schwartz[15] claimed the case against the Pinto was less clear-cut than commonly supposed. The number who died in Pinto rear-impact fires, according to Schwartz, was well below the hundreds cited in contemporary news reports and closer to the twenty-seven recorded by a limited National Highway Traffic Safety Administration database. Given the Pinto's production figures (over 2 million built), this was not substantially worse than typical for the time. Schwartz argued that the car was no more fire-prone than other cars of the time, that its fatality rates were lower than comparably sized imported automobiles, and that the supposed "smoking gun" document that plaintiffs claimed showed Ford's callousness in designing the Pinto was actually a document based on National Highway Traffic Safety Administration regulations about the value of a human life rather than a document containing an assessment of Ford's potential tort liability.

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IIRC the Malibu/Lemans/Cutlass/Regal had a higher fuel tank rupture rate.

Later Pintos were fairly decent, but the Japanese had pretty much moved on to fwd cars with better mileage and more importantly interior room.

Internally, the Pinto was one of Iacocca's pet projects. Most of the engineering staff wanted a version of the European Fiesta, which was eventually brought over, but really too late, and never in enough numbers. Both were replaced by the Escort in 1981.
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Re: Motoring Memories: Ford Pinto, 1971-1979
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2010, 12:56:04 pm »

I remember reading that the cost to install a shield was $11/car. The memo said that it would be cheaper to pay the lawsuits. Ironically (and tragically for the victims) the lawsuits cost much more in the long run including the intangible cost of loss of trust by the consumer. It may not have been worse than other small cars, but this was one of Corporate America's most dismal examples of runaway bean counting. Case closed...

Well, not exactly.
If I remember correctly, the memo was actually something asked for by the US Govt/NHTSA in regards to other issues. It was dragged into the case an made a big deal about, even though it was not relevant at all.
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Re: Motoring Memories: Ford Pinto, 1971-1979
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2010, 01:15:42 pm »
All the legalities may be that the Pinto was no worse than others of it's time for fuel tank rupture; BUT the fact remains that the public image created of Ford was very poor. I would wager that few ppl today do not think of much other than fuel tank rupture when the name Pinto in mentioned. Like Audi's unintended acceleration issue of the early 80s.

Urban myth or not, the damage was done.
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Re: Motoring Memories: Ford Pinto, 1971-1979
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2010, 09:26:17 pm »
The Pinto got about 12 mpg.  My sister bought a brand new one.  ::)   Then it fell apart in 5 years and her new hubby got her into a Mustang II which was a fancy re-skinned Pinto.  :rofl2:

I had a secretary in the 70's who divorced her husband and bought herself a new Mustang II V8 to start her new single life.  She used to tell me what an ass he was and that she was better off without her.

About three years later she blew up the engine and the mechanics found the engine had run out of oil.  She apparently didn't know about oil changes or checking levels.  I guess the husband was helpful for one thing after all.
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Re: Motoring Memories: Ford Pinto, 1971-1979
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2010, 10:02:10 pm »
My first car was a 1974 Pinto.  My Grandpa had it stored in the back lot of his business for years.  Then when I was about to turn 16 him and I turned it into a project car, rebuilding the engine and making it road worthy once again.  It did the job for a 16 year old, but I must admit I couldn't wait to step up to something else.  ;)

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Re: Motoring Memories: Ford Pinto, 1971-1979
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2010, 06:15:52 pm »
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