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Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« on: December 28, 2009, 08:23:21 am »
More random road side taxation coming our way!  Increases in many fines..some doubled..some quadrupled.  Never mind the fact that Ontario has among the safest roads in North America.  I guess the traffic Nazis need money to keep their airplanes flying.... ::)


WINDSOR, Ont. — Ontario will ring in the new year with hefty new punishments for several traffic infractions, including a $2,000 ticket the first time you follow a fire truck too closely and a possible prison sentence the second time.

Drivers caught violating a range of traffic laws will soon face licence suspensions, demerit points and fines that are double — and even quadruple — what they are now.

Windsor police Sgt. Steve Bodri said he hopes the province's new measures for bad drivers have an effect, because little else has.

"In the new year, we're going to start some campaigns to target aggressive driving," he said. "If it requires writing more tickets, then we will."

"People aren't getting the message with respect to how they drive. They seem to forget that driving is a privilege. If they're going to drive recklessly and carelessly, we need to curb it somehow."

The new penalties take effect Friday, Jan. 1. One of the steepest changes will be for drivers who don't pull over to stop for emergency vehicles or those who follow fire vehicles too closely.

The maximum fine for a first offence is currently $500. It will soon be $2,000, along with three demerit points and a possible two-year licence suspension.

Subsequent offences within five years, currently $500 as well, also will increase. The maximum fine will jump to $4,000, three demerit points, a two-year driver's licence suspension and a possible six-month prison sentence.

The fine for failing to stop at a red light will jump from a $500 maximum to $1,000. Failure to wear a seatbelt and failure to ensure passengers under 16 are properly secured will also increase from $500 to a $1,000 maximum.

The maximum fine for careless driving and failure to remain at the scene of a collision will increase from $1,000 to $2,000. Other penalties for these offences will remain, including a two-year licence suspension and six-month jail term.

"Higher fines for convictions will be another effective tool to help make Ontario roads safer, especially if it gets the attention of irresponsible and reckless drivers," Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner Julian Fantino said in a news release.

A Windsor-area owner of Pointts, one of the biggest traffic ticket paralegal services in Ontario, said these "tremendous" increases go too far.

"It would definitely be a hardship on people to pay these increased fines," said Walter Phillips, who was an OPP officer for 30 years. "Some of the fines are too high. I hope I'll never be in that situation to pay these very high fines. Ontario has got the toughest laws in North America, tougher than the U.S., tougher than Mexico."

He said the maximum $4,000 fine and jail time on a second offence for following emergency vehicles too closely or failing to pull over them is particularly punitive.

"That seems rather large," said Phillips. "It's a little much. Certainly jail time is, that's out of the question."
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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2009, 08:34:34 am »
There is no recession. Now this is part of the stimulus package.
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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2009, 08:41:49 am »
There is no recession. Now this is part of the stimulus package.

Precisely. This is to pay for ex Chrysler and GM worker's beer at the pub while playing pool on their inflated pensions, and everything else that is the by product of the "handouts" that put us in this massive deficit. Living in McSquinty-Ville is making me physically sick.
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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2009, 09:07:57 am »
More random road side taxation coming our way!  Increases in many fines..some doubled..some quadrupled.

OK, I'm going to play the devil's advocate.

The rules are the rules...follow them and there is zero chance of ever getting a fine.


Devil's advocate mode off...

I think for those who are clued in, attentive and whatever else, the speed limits are on the low side. But then you have to take the rest of the inbreds on our roads into account. Then you also have to take the type of car into account as well as their condition. Have you seen the shock absorber action of some road going cars? There is no damping left.

Take our 400 series highways for example. Can you imagine going off at over 200? Without full length guardrails, you'd go off into the soft shoulder or grass, dig in a tire and flip 10+ times.

Driving is dangerous enough over here at the speed limit. But then, what do you expect when they hand out drivers licences the way they do.

We could go on and on and just  :banghead:
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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2009, 09:12:03 am »
If the provincial Conservatives want to get elected next time they should promise to repeal all these new fines and punishments AND put the 50mg/litre stuff back to where it was AND change the 50 over stuff back as well.   After all, getting rid of Photo radar certainly helped Mike Harris.

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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2009, 09:15:02 am »
A Windsor-area owner of Pointts, one of the biggest traffic ticket paralegal services in Ontario, said these "tremendous" increases go too far.

I've said it countless times, if "safety" is their primary concern, why have monetary fines...don't you want to get the driver off the road instead?

Impound the car for a period of time and all offences get reported to their insurance company. The hike in insurance premiums is the fine. I for one hate paying premiums that are almost as high as someone with a record.

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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 09:18:39 am »

I think for those who are clued in, attentive and whatever else, the speed limits are on the low side. But then you have to take the rest of the inbreds on our roads into account. Then you also have to take the type of car into account as well as their condition. Have you seen the shock absorber action of some road going cars? There is no damping left.

Take our 400 series highways for example. Can you imagine going off at over 200? Without full length guardrails, you'd go off into the soft shoulder or grass, dig in a tire and flip 10+ times.

Driving is dangerous enough over here at the speed limit. But then, what do you expect when they hand out drivers licences the way they do.

We could go on and on and just  :banghead:

As for the cars:   Ontario must be one of the few 1st world jurisdictions that does not have an annual safety check... and if a government ever tried to implement one it would be called a tax grab.
As for the driving test/licences.  Again we must have one of the easiest driving tests in the 1st world not improved ( imho) by  the graduated licence program.  But if it was made more difficult... I can hear the screams from here that peoples "rights" are being taken away.

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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 09:30:29 am »
As for the cars:   Ontario must be one of the few 1st world jurisdictions that does not have an annual safety check... and if a government ever tried to implement one it would be called a tax grab.

Yes, an annual safety check would be called that, and rightfully so, because like the Drive Clean, it would be a joke because of the way it is handled.

The Ontario government worries about the exhaust fumes which happen to be clean on my 10 year old CR-V. Why don't they worry about whats coming out of a city bus when it is driving empty or a tractor trailer on the highway.

I can hear the screams from here that peoples "rights" are being taken away.

Which is normal because of the agenda behind so many things. Politics! Get people in a car...because it generates a health economy when you consider how many jobs are tied to the auto and related industry.

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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 09:32:06 am »

OK, I'm going to play the devil's advocate.

The rules are the rules...follow them and there is zero chance of ever getting a fine.



Agree.  But Ontario is among the safest (some say it's THE safest) jurisdiction in North America.  So by and large, if it's the safest and has very low mortality and grievous accidents, shouldn't we be rewarded with LOWER fines instead of punished with ever increasing fines??

We're already tops for safety....which leads me to think these fines are to pay for other things...

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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 09:39:06 am »
Agree.  But Ontario is among the safest (some say it's THE safest) jurisdiction in North America.  So by and large, if it's the safest and has very low mortality and grievous accidents, shouldn't we be rewarded with LOWER fines instead of punished with ever increasing fines??

Better still, shouldn't we be paying far lower insurance premiums? Yet we have some of the highest rates.

BTW, what is the source of your info? is there a continent-wide database on-line somewhere?


We're already tops for safety....which leads me to think these fines are to pay for other things...

If what you say is correct, then no question about it.

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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 09:41:19 am »
They need the money to pay for useless law suits. :rofl2:

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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 10:08:26 am »

Yes, an annual safety check would be called that ( a tax grab), and rightfully so, because like the Drive Clean, it would be a joke because of the way it is handled.



Why do you assume it would have to be handled badly?   I agree that it could be if the gov did not act to enforce the standards... I remember when the annual check started in the UK 40+ years ago one could get a certificate for a five pound note in mnay places.
I must say I don't see what's wrong with Drive Clean either except that it should cover the whole province. I see that it covers  all non-farm vehicles less than 4500Kg   which should indeed cover anything that 99% of the people drive and the heavy vehicles are covered by a different test.
I would change it to insist that the faults are all fixed regardless of cost and if it were me.... I would have a bi-annual safety check done at the same time... a serious safety check... not quite as rigorous as the Japanese one tho'.

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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2009, 10:23:45 am »
Why do you assume it would have to be handled badly?

It wouldn't "have" to be, it would just end up being run poorly like so many other services. I know, I work for the government.

I don't think annual checks should be performed by garages; they should be performed by inspection stations. This to avoid unnecessary repairs...or make-work projects.

There should also be a complaint line as a "check" on inspection stations. When I moved to Ontario and needed a safety check, I supposedly needed a new steering shaft and coupling...well I didn't.

And another thing, why is everything so regionalized. In Europe, there are licence plates for Germany, France, etc. Same goes for the inspections.
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2009, 10:44:29 am »
What class do we all despise the most?

The Political Class! HOoray!
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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2009, 11:17:46 am »
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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2009, 11:51:07 am »
More random road side taxation coming our way!  Increases in many fines..some doubled..some quadrupled.  Never mind the fact that Ontario has among the safest roads in North America.  I guess the traffic Nazis need money to keep their airplanes flying.... ::)


It's hardly 'random'; you know what the rules are, and you know how to avoid the tickets.

If you want to avoid tickets, obey the laws.  If you want to break the laws (as I do, pretty much every time I'm on the highway), accept the fact that you're running some risk of getting a ticket.

I speed pretty much every time I'm on the highway; I'm fairly sure I'm within a tolerance zone, but I accept the fact that I'm taking that chance.


Put on your big-girl panties, and get on with life.

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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2009, 12:21:33 pm »
Has anyone gotten stuck behind a fire truck doing 95 on the highway? There's 3 lanes why would you not be able to pass if he's in the right most lane and you're in the left lane?

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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2009, 12:25:46 pm »
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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2009, 07:50:00 pm »
More random road side taxation coming our way!  Increases in many fines..some doubled..some quadrupled.  Never mind the fact that Ontario has among the safest roads in North America.  I guess the traffic Nazis need money to keep their airplanes flying.... ::)


It's hardly 'random'; you know what the rules are, and you know how to avoid the tickets.

If you want to avoid tickets, obey the laws.  If you want to break the laws (as I do, pretty much every time I'm on the highway), accept the fact that you're running some risk of getting a ticket.

I speed pretty much every time I'm on the highway; I'm fairly sure I'm within a tolerance zone, but I accept the fact that I'm taking that chance.


Put on your big-girl panties, and get on with life.

Sounds like subservient logic out of control to me. Examples of what I mean? Lets say that next, the politicians ban all cars with more than 4 cylinders. Then cut the highway speed to 80 kph, 20 kph on neighborhood streets and towns. Check what's being proposed in England now if you don't believe it can happen. And these are just for starters, more draconian invasion of your life to come once those changed laws "settle". And the politicians use some excuse of the day (hey! slight topic change here, how 'bout "No New Taxes", remember THAT one and WHO said it?). Maybe they say it saves gas, or lives.

Whatever the excuse is doesn't matter, because they figure most voters are like rabbits munching grass, and have no real will or thoughts, only to obey the "state". And therefore ecomaniacs and self appointed do gooders find they increasingly have free reign.

And the answer would again be "Put on your big-girl panties, and get on with life"?

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Re: Traffic Offense Fines Going Up Jan 1st.
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2009, 08:04:32 pm »
I wish the government could just raise taxes instead of raising random stealth taxes.

Or better yet figure out how to cut spending and increase efficiency.

I wonder how government spending / GDP looks on a long term basis.