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Toyota recall
« on: November 25, 2009, 06:28:24 am »
Just caught a brief "breaking news" article on CBC newsworld that Toyota is going to announce today that they will shorten the gas pedals on 3.8 million vehicles in the US. I'm assuming this has to do with the unintended acceleration issue. The report said this was a temporary measure while they came up with a redesign for the accelerator systems.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2009, 07:03:33 am »
And what is a short pedal gonna do for people with acceleration without mats?  Would it not be a good opportunity to flash the system at the same time?
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 10:07:41 am »
And here it is, the cars will be flashed, saw that one coming ;)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hX5vzre_1ZgnVSAl_jGmyHMBWRVAD9C6JKHO1
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 10:37:47 am »
No more brake stands for Toyota owners...
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 12:49:33 pm »
Love PR people....

But in a rare rebuke, NHTSA accused Toyota of releasing misleading information about the recall, saying removing the mats did not "correct the underlying defect." Toyota said it was not the company's intention to mislead anyone.

Now if they were mistakenly mislead...well...that's their fault!
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 12:53:37 pm »
Quote from: TopGun on November 25, 2009, 12:49:33 pm
Love PR people....

But in a rare rebuke, NHTSA accused Toyota of releasing misleading information about the recall, saying removing the mats did not "correct the underlying defect." Toyota said it was not the company's intention to mislead anyone.

Now if they were mistakenly mislead...well...that's their fault!

Of course not! Toyota is perfect. They even make perfect mistakes.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 10:05:00 pm »
From my understand the fix is going to be a two pronged approach. As mentioned the accelerator pedal is going to be replaced with a redesigned unit but along with that the PCM software will be altered to that the brake will cancel out the accelerator - something very easy to do with throttle by wire.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 10:09:51 pm »
Amazing what a couple of idiots with Wally World floor mats can do.

Truly our society panders to the lowest common denominator.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 10:12:37 pm »
Quote from: Roddy on November 26, 2009, 10:05:00 pm
From my understand the fix is going to be a two pronged approach. As mentioned the accelerator pedal is going to be replaced with a redesigned unit but along with that the PCM software will be altered to that the brake will cancel out the accelerator - something very easy to do with throttle by wire.

I believe VW does this now, it engages stability control somehow and cuts throttle.  Many people that drive their cars spiritedly are pretty bummed because they can't left foot brake.  But nobody drives Toyota's like that so doesn't really matter.  They going to install this in their LFA?
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2009, 05:26:42 am »
Quote from: Roddy on November 26, 2009, 10:05:00 pm
From my understand the fix is going to be a two pronged approach. As mentioned the accelerator pedal is going to be replaced with a redesigned unit but along with that the PCM software will be altered to that the brake will cancel out the accelerator - something very easy to do with throttle by wire.

the PCM software will be altered to that the brake will cancel out the accelerator

..and whatever else they might feel like uploading in there...conspiracy theory maybe....but totally feasible.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2009, 08:00:29 am »
I used to enjoy driving.  Even the daily drive to school/work/wherever probably had some empty spots of road, maybe an on or off ramp that could be taken with some fervor.

Now we have roads that are little more than trains of cars where everyone is "driving" their own link in the chain, but driving is not what I'd call it.  Lights are timed to create slow motion.  Photo monitoring devices ensure that you'll pay for each time you exceed the speed limit.  On roads where speed could be attained, those limits are set so low not to keep us safe, but to generate revenue.

Insurance companies control our behaviour through monopolies and the ability to ruin us financially for exceeding those seemingly arbitrarily set speed limits.  They also influence car companies into making nothing but heavy, "safe" cars.

The threat of litigation has car companies installing safety devices that take away our control of the cars.

Drivers have become so conditioned to doing everything but driving while in the car, they are unable to deal with any situation that involves a task more difficult or complicated than taking their latte out of the cupholder.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2009, 09:53:32 am »
Quote from: johngenx on November 27, 2009, 08:00:29 am
I used to enjoy driving.  Even the daily drive to school/work/wherever probably had some empty spots of road, maybe an on or off ramp that could be taken with some fervor.

Now we have roads that are little more than trains of cars where everyone is "driving" their own link in the chain, but driving is not what I'd call it.  Lights are timed to create slow motion.  Photo monitoring devices ensure that you'll pay for each time you exceed the speed limit.  On roads where speed could be attained, those limits are set so low not to keep us safe, but to generate revenue.

Insurance companies control our behaviour through monopolies and the ability to ruin us financially for exceeding those seemingly arbitrarily set speed limits.  They also influence car companies into making nothing but heavy, "safe" cars.

The threat of litigation has car companies installing safety devices that take away our control of the cars.

Drivers have become so conditioned to doing everything but driving while in the car, they are unable to deal with any situation that involves a task more difficult or complicated than taking their latte out of the cupholder.

I have to agree with John's comments. I love drining the M3, but one has to search for roads when you can open it up a bit. Hard to do an a daily commute - but I try. Fortunately Kelowna is small enough to be able to get out into the rural areas easily.  ;)
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2009, 11:49:19 am »
Quote from: ovr50 on November 27, 2009, 09:53:32 am
......one has to search for roads when you can open it up a bit. Hard to do an a daily commute - but I try....

Well that's all we can do...either give up...or not!  Good for you Ovr...I'm with ya.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2009, 12:09:08 pm »
This "smart brake" thing.  I have trouble believing that a foot rammed down on the brake pedal as recommended for an emergency stop will not provide enough retardation to stop ANY car**.  If it won't that is a loophole in the construction and use regulations imho.   My VW, like some other German cars has "brake assisT wherebye if one nails the pedal fast enough that the brake system will ensure that there is full braking effort... Is this what they mean?  I always thought that it was just clever use of the ABS system  to force full pressure into the system even if wheels locked.


** assuming that the discs and pads are in resonably good condition that is.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2009, 02:59:07 pm »
Quote from: tpl on November 27, 2009, 12:09:08 pm
This "smart brake" thing.  I have trouble believing that a foot rammed down on the brake pedal as recommended for an emergency stop will not provide enough retardation to stop ANY car**.  If it won't that is a loophole in the construction and use regulations imho.   My VW, like some other German cars has "brake assisT wherebye if one nails the pedal fast enough that the brake system will ensure that there is full braking effort... Is this what they mean?  I always thought that it was just clever use of the ABS system  to force full pressure into the system even if wheels locked.


** assuming that the discs and pads are in resonably good condition that is.

The brakes will require significantly more force than they normally do because if the engine's throttle is stuck wide open, there's no engine vacuum to power the brake booster.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2009, 03:38:40 pm »
True, but the brakes still overcome the engine.  More than buys you time to disengage the transmission or turn off the ignition.  Ye, then the power steering is no longer engaged, but it works.

Oddly, this seems not to happen in Canada.  Our cars are identical and most Canadians are just as stupid and incompetent as Americans when it comes to driving.
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2009, 12:17:37 pm »
Quote from: johngenx on November 27, 2009, 03:38:40 pm
... most Canadians are just as stupid and incompetent as Americans when it comes to driving.

Rarely have truer words been spoken... :(
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Experts Point to Throttles, Not Floor Mats, in Toyota Incidents
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2009, 03:02:44 pm »
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Re: Experts Point to Throttles, Not Floor Mats, in Toyota Incidents
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2009, 03:37:11 pm »
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Re: Toyota recall
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2009, 03:39:06 pm »
Quote from: Altima1 on November 27, 2009, 02:59:07 pm
Quote from: tpl on November 27, 2009, 12:09:08 pm
This "smart brake" thing.  I have trouble believing that a foot rammed down on the brake pedal as recommended for an emergency stop will not provide enough retardation to stop ANY car**.  If it won't that is a loophole in the construction and use regulations imho.   My VW, like some other German cars has "brake assisT wherebye if one nails the pedal fast enough that the brake system will ensure that there is full braking effort... Is this what they mean?  I always thought that it was just clever use of the ABS system  to force full pressure into the system even if wheels locked.


** assuming that the discs and pads are in resonably good condition that is.

The brakes will require significantly more force than they normally do because if the engine's throttle is stuck wide open, there's no engine vacuum to power the brake booster.

A good point that. As a big strong lad I have no doubt that if I nailed the brake pedal that all four discs would lock up right then, booster or no booster  but the classic 90lb woman might not be able to do that with no boost.

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