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GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« on: November 24, 2009, 03:17:33 am »
http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2009/11/18/f_sl_rattner_car.fortune/
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Former car czar Steven Rattner says that General Motors is ahead of its recovery plan and could be profitable by next year.
Chris Matthews, CNBC: "You know, I forgot he was black tonight for an hour"
Jon Stewart: "This guy is one scotch away from being Ron Burgundy"

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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 07:51:05 am »
..we don't need no stinkin' plans................................(sotto voce in a James Cagney voice ov'r,,,,,,)
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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 06:50:12 pm »
That reminds me of Chrysler under cerebus saying that "they were ahead of plans" with their restructuring... only to lose money hand over fist and declare bankruptcy a few months later.

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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 07:02:16 pm »
Of course they can be profitable. If you don't use GAAP and make up numbers anything can be profitable.

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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 08:05:42 pm »
Ahead of plan.. That assumes there's a concrete plan.
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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 10:01:37 pm »
People to the manner born once deemed Manhattan apartment-living déclassé. A century ago, only ostentatious mansions—of Astors and other aristocrats—occupied "Millionaires' Row," the most gilded stretch of that blue-blooded artery, Fifth Avenue. But that all changed in 1912 when a luxurious new 12-story Italian Renaissance building rose near the Metropolitan Museum of Art. And it is here, in the marbled grandeur of a sprawling palazzo, that Wall Street veteran and onetime New York Times reporter Steve Rattner today hosts the beau monde of Manhattan.

The gatherings are like "a grand salon, a throwback to New York of old," says indie-film mogul Harvey Weinstein, who along with billionaire buyout king Henry Kravis, Internet mogul Barry Diller and assorted Democratic presidential hopefuls have gathered at Rattner's home for evenings of high living, highbrow discourse, high finance—and the high art of exercising influence.

From the wallets of donors wined and dined here, Rattner and his wife, Maureen White, have raised millions for the presidential runs of Hillary Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry (White was formerly national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee). And it is also in this sumptuous abode that Rattner cultivated lucrative ties to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg

His short tenure as head of the autos task force came under a cloud in April, when details of alleged influence-peddling surfaced.

At the center of the two-year investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the office of New York State Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo are millions of dollars in payments made by investment firms including Quadrangle Group, the private-equity firm founded by Rattner in 2000, to middlemen known as placement agents, who helped the firms win investments from the pension fund of New York state and other local governments.

In SEC filings, a "senior executive" at Quadrangle, whom sources have identified as Rattner, is described as having been directly involved in arranging a $1 million-plus payment to a middleman. Rattner headed Quadrangle until February, when he was tapped to join the Obama administration's auto task force.

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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 06:08:53 am »
While you're out there slinging mud, Stevie, how about telling us the tale of the Toyo execs who committed hari-kiri after that perfect company's $7 billion loss last year?

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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 06:45:08 am »
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Could pay back loans by next June
Henderson said that GM may speed up its plans to pay back the government though, and that it could be done repaying its debt by June of 2010.

The money for the first payment will come from funds the government gave GM to fund its operations through the bankruptcy process.

SO they are going to pay back goverment loans with money the Government gave to them?

Hey John can you lend me $100?

Sure Joe how will you pay me back?

Well John if you lend me $100 and then give me another $100 as a gift I'll pay you back your $100 loan!

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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 01:25:23 pm »
There is no such thing as "good news" when it comes to GM with you is there?

You must have a master plan. As you incessantly point out,  GM currently exists because of tax dollars shoveled into it and the only way tax payers hope to not to be fully facked is if GM does well. Yet you continue to crap all over every thing GM at every chance you can. That doesn't sound like an unwilling investor that is trying to minimize their losses now does it? Care to share your master plan?

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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2009, 04:02:03 pm »
There is no such thing as "good news" when it comes to GM with you is there?

You must have a master plan. As you incessantly point out,  GM currently exists because of tax dollars shoveled into it and the only way tax payers hope to not to be fully facked is if GM does well. Yet you continue to crap all over every thing GM at every chance you can. That doesn't sound like an unwilling investor that is trying to minimize their losses now does it? Care to share your master plan?

There is no such thing as "good news" when it comes to GM with you is there?

The title of your thread makes the assumption that this Rattner fellow knew what he was doing  ???  Guy sounds like a douchbag to me; a big Clinton fund raiser turned Obama guy who made a fortune on Wall Street at the expense of others, obviously.  Then he quits abruptly after a criminal investigation into his previous investment fund is launched.

What else is the guy gonna say.   ::)   :stick:

That 1 out of every 4 homes in the US are in negative equity.  http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/24/real_estate/mortgages_underwater/index.htm

That 1 out of every 7 households are 3 months behind on the mortgage which is foreclosure in the USA.

That 500 banks in the US are insolvent due to commercial mortgage defaults.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/161218-commercial-property-woes-reveal-bank-insolvency 

That the USA is trapped in 2 intractable wars

That the GM RECOVERY PLAN was based on a economic turnaround commencing in early 2010 and that unemployment would be no greater than 8.5%.  It's 10.2% presently and expected to grow worse, obviously.



New GM still looking a lot like old GM

The plan for the new General Motors -- the plan that became a taxpayer-funded bankruptcy that left you owning 60 percent of GM -- was that the automaker would shed several brands and become a smaller, more nimble automaker going forward, able to focus on only its best and best-selling brands.

Well, that hasn't worked out so well thus far. You, the taxpayer, are still dragging around a bunch of auto brands that GM can't seem to unload.

The plan was for GM to keep only four of its several brands -- Chevy, Cadillac, GMC and Buick. Chevy is popular, Cadillac is quality, GM makes a profit on every GMC truck sold and Buick is huge in China.

GM would say goodbye to the villified Hummer, the odd-fit Opel, the beloved-but-unselling Saturn and the quirky Saab, raising cash and throwing dead weight overboard.

That was the plan, anyway.

Today, news comes that Saab will not be sold to Swedish super-car maker Koenigsegg, a deal that was announced earlier this year. I was always skeptical of this deal and here's why: Koenigsegg hand-makes million-dollar bespoke sports cars. It does not mass-produce anything, except for profits from California and European millionaires who buy the sports cars. I couldn't see Koenigsegg cranking out even the 10,000 or so Saabs sold every year in the U.S.

So now GM has to do something with Saab and its 4,500 employees.

Earlier this year, GM announced to great fanfare that racing legend Roger Penske would buy Saturn. Penske needed some help from Renault to do the deal, and that fell through. So GM still has a dying Saturn. (In a decaying orbit, you might say.)

Finally, GM's board backed out of its plans to sell Opel, which it has owned for decades, to a Canadian parts-maker.

What will happen to Saturn and Saab? Probably they will be allowed to simply die away, which is Pontiac's fate. Opel may still end up getting sold, but maybe not. Maybe GM ends up as Chevy, Cadillac, GMC, Buick -- and Opel, oddly enough.

The only brand GM has managed to unload so far is Hummer, which it sold to a Chinese company, which has said it will build a new headquarters near Detroit and make the big trucks more fuel-efficient, which somehow seems not quite right. I mean, if you're going to have a Hummer, have a Hummer, right? A fuel-efficient Hummer is like a diet Twinkie: What's the point?

So as of today, your taxpayer-owned, post-bankruptcy GM looks an awful lot like the privately owned pre-bankruptcy GM. That's what your money has gotten you.



 

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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2009, 04:19:12 pm »
There is no such thing as "good news" when it comes to GM with you is there?

You must have a master plan. As you incessantly point out,  GM currently exists because of tax dollars shoveled into it and the only way tax payers hope to not to be fully facked is if GM does well. Yet you continue to crap all over every thing GM at every chance you can. That doesn't sound like an unwilling investor that is trying to minimize their losses now does it? Care to share your master plan?

Sure there is such a thing as good news.

But made up "spin","propaganda" or whatever you want to call it that tries to cloak bad news as good isn't "good news".

The fact that GM has announced 600 laid off employees will go back to work on a new Buick in Canada is "good news".

Saying they are ahead of plan is disingenuous. What I say will not change how my investment is managed one bit. As you said I'm an unwilling inverstor in a plan that is doomed to fail. Being unrelaistic and going rah rah when they say they will pay back tax payers loans with money tax payers gave them is NOT cause for celebration. Its not transpartent. I'm under no illusions that my money is anything but GONE. Those loans will NEVER I reapeat NEVER be paid back in their entirerty. Smoke and mirrors won't change the fact that most if not all will simply be written off as bad debt at some point.

They lost over a BILLION dollars last 1/4 . The only thing my investment gives me is the right to call BS when they try to fool people. You can't have a master plan to avoid inevitable failure. Its like a space ship pulnuging ontp a black hole. WHy can't I complain simply becuase I presonally don't have a plan to escape gravity becuase somoen else forced me into the situation against my will.

I've seen GM's plan and I didn't buy it in the first place. Why would I buy that they are "ahead" of an unrealistic plan?


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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2009, 05:19:56 pm »
There is no such thing as "good news" when it comes to GM with you is there?

You must have a master plan. As you incessantly point out,  GM currently exists because of tax dollars shoveled into it and the only way tax payers hope to not to be fully facked is if GM does well. Yet you continue to crap all over every thing GM at every chance you can. That doesn't sound like an unwilling investor that is trying to minimize their losses now does it? Care to share your master plan?

Sure there is such a thing as good news.

But made up "spin","propaganda" or whatever you want to call it that tries to cloak bad news as good isn't "good news".

The fact that GM has announced 600 laid off employees will go back to work on a new Buick in Canada is "good news".

Saying they are ahead of plan is disingenuous. What I say will not change how my investment is managed one bit. As you said I'm an unwilling inverstor in a plan that is doomed to fail. Being unrelaistic and going rah rah when they say they will pay back tax payers loans with money tax payers gave them is NOT cause for celebration. Its not transpartent. I'm under no illusions that my money is anything but GONE. Those loans will NEVER I reapeat NEVER be paid back in their entirerty. Smoke and mirrors won't change the fact that most if not all will simply be written off as bad debt at some point.

They lost over a BILLION dollars last 1/4 . The only thing my investment gives me is the right to call BS when they try to fool people. You can't have a master plan to avoid inevitable failure. Its like a space ship pulnuging ontp a black hole. WHy can't I complain simply becuase I presonally don't have a plan to escape gravity becuase somoen else forced me into the situation against my will.

I've seen GM's plan and I didn't buy it in the first place. Why would I buy that they are "ahead" of an unrealistic plan?



I can practically see the phlem hitting your monitor. You've got to mellow out dude.

If there's nothing you can do about it, accept it, then move on. It's better for your health.

Bitching at us in every thread with the same monologue, regardless of topic just makes you sound a bit....crazy.

/pulnuging? Really?
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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2009, 05:39:01 pm »
There is no such thing as "good news" when it comes to GM with you is there?

You must have a master plan. As you incessantly point out,  GM currently exists because of tax dollars shoveled into it and the only way tax payers hope to not to be fully facked is if GM does well. Yet you continue to crap all over every thing GM at every chance you can. That doesn't sound like an unwilling investor that is trying to minimize their losses now does it? Care to share your master plan?

Sure there is such a thing as good news.

But made up "spin","propaganda" or whatever you want to call it that tries to cloak bad news as good isn't "good news".

The fact that GM has announced 600 laid off employees will go back to work on a new Buick in Canada is "good news".

Saying they are ahead of plan is disingenuous. What I say will not change how my investment is managed one bit. As you said I'm an unwilling inverstor in a plan that is doomed to fail. Being unrelaistic and going rah rah when they say they will pay back tax payers loans with money tax payers gave them is NOT cause for celebration. Its not transpartent. I'm under no illusions that my money is anything but GONE. Those loans will NEVER I reapeat NEVER be paid back in their entirerty. Smoke and mirrors won't change the fact that most if not all will simply be written off as bad debt at some point.

They lost over a BILLION dollars last 1/4 . The only thing my investment gives me is the right to call BS when they try to fool people. You can't have a master plan to avoid inevitable failure. Its like a space ship pulnuging ontp a black hole. WHy can't I complain simply becuase I presonally don't have a plan to escape gravity becuase somoen else forced me into the situation against my will.

I've seen GM's plan and I didn't buy it in the first place. Why would I buy that they are "ahead" of an unrealistic plan?



I can practically see the phlem hitting your monitor. You've got to mellow out dude.

If there's nothing you can do about it, accept it, then move on. It's better for your health.

Bitching at us in every thread with the same monologue, regardless of topic just makes you sound a bit....crazy.

/pulnuging? Really?

If you find it so boring why do you continue to read and reply?

Feel free to hit ignore. I don't remember any comments when I say something positive about a GM product (which I assuredly have )

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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2009, 07:09:45 pm »
While you're out there slinging mud, Stevie, how about telling us the tale of the Toyo execs who committed hari-kiri after that perfect company's $7 billion loss last year?

Gotta a link for that 7 Billion loss  ::)

Toyota lost 4.4 Billion for fiscal year ending March/09,  However still paid a $.99 dividend to shareholders.
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2009/gb2009058_991777.htm


GM lost 30.9 Billion in the same period and shareholders lost their shares.
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2009/gb2009058_991777.htm


how about telling us the tale of the Toyo execs who committed hari-kiri

 ::)  why don't you start off by pointing to some facts.  Although, I think if GM execs had of practiced "hari-kiri" in the run up to blowing 86 BILLION in the last 5 years GM might not be in Chapter 11 today.  :)


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Re: GM is 'ahead of plan' - Steven Rattner
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2009, 08:05:10 pm »

Toyota lost 4.4 Billion for fiscal year ending March/09,  However still paid a $.99 dividend to shareholders.
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2009/gb2009058_991777.htm

Wow, that's sound business strategy of the type practiced in the past by Studebaker. Just prior to their own bankruptcy.   ::)