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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2009, 07:44:38 pm »
Quote from: rrocket on November 23, 2009, 07:29:00 pm
Quote from: Altima1 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:48 pm
On a different note a classy organization made GM smile yesterday:)

http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2009/11/23/cup.hom.high.johnson.one.nascar/index.html?MostPopular

The same classy organization that made Toyota (and ONLY Toyota) run smaller restrictor plates on their NNS cars because they were too fast?   ::)



But for Johnson winning 4 in a row....that's pretty amazing.  I'm not a Left-Handed Racing NASCAR fan.  Would he have still won 4 in a row with the new 10 race Race Off??  How would that have played out?

There are standards to follow...and we all know that the JGR organization cheated by inserting magnets under the pedal on the dyno test.

By the way the classy organization I am referring to is not Nascar...but HENDRICKS MOTORSPORTS.  Toyota can still win, no need to have 18hp over everybody else.

Oh and Altima...I'm quite sure if Toyota went belly up a la GM, you'd be telling everyone to leave them alone and you wouldn't be poking at AS at all, right?  Because that would be below you, right?

Absolutely.  I do not relish in the misfortune of others...but you be an A$$ and I will be in your face showing you that what goes around comes around.
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2009, 07:46:30 pm »
Quote from: Erik on November 23, 2009, 07:40:36 pm
Quote from: rrocket on November 23, 2009, 07:29:00 pm
Quote from: Altima1 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:48 pm
On a different note a classy organization made GM smile yesterday:)

http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2009/11/23/cup.hom.high.johnson.one.nascar/index.html?MostPopular

The same classy organization that made Toyota (and ONLY Toyota) run smaller restrictor plates on their NNS cars because they were too fast?   ::)



Can you find me one manufacturer that has not been hit with restrictor plates? They didn't invent these things for Toyota...

Correct my favorite in the 80s, Bill Elliott(Ford), comes to mind.
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2009, 07:58:18 pm »
Quote from: Erik on November 23, 2009, 07:40:36 pm
Quote from: rrocket on November 23, 2009, 07:29:00 pm
Quote from: Altima1 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:48 pm
On a different note a classy organization made GM smile yesterday:)

http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2009/11/23/cup.hom.high.johnson.one.nascar/index.html?MostPopular

The same classy organization that made Toyota (and ONLY Toyota) run smaller restrictor plates on their NNS cars because they were too fast?   ::)



Can you find me one manufacturer that has not been hit with restrictor plates? They didn't invent these things for Toyota...

You misunderstand.  Toyota..and ONLY Toyota had to run a SMALLER restrictor plate than anybody else because their car was presumably too fast.  Everybody was running plates..but Toyota's had to be smaller than everybody elses....(this was in 2008 NNS....where Kyle Busch was winning everything)
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2009, 07:58:48 pm »
Rumor has it that next year's Toyo Nascar racers will be equipped with extra floormats for that extra shot of acceleration...  ;D
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2009, 07:59:51 pm »
Quote from: Altima1 on November 23, 2009, 07:44:38 pm

Absolutely.  I do not relish in the misfortune of others...but you be an A$$ and I will be in your face showing you that what goes around comes around.


Ahhhh...Ok.  I understand.  So it's only class-less when it's about GM.  Understood.   ::)
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2009, 08:03:16 pm »
Quote from: Greg B. on November 23, 2009, 07:58:48 pm
Rumor has it that next year's Toyo Nascar racers will be equipped with extra floormats for that extra shot of acceleration...  ;D

Hmmm...it might not work, Greg.  I think the drivers would be able to find neutral.   :rofl2:
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2009, 08:03:42 pm »
We are not stupid, many of us knew the writing was on the wall a long time ago  :rofl2:

In 2005 I stated on this BBS that GM would go into Chapter 11.  You GM slappies went absolutely epileptic and the insults have never stopped.  :rofl:

NEW PREDICTION:  Chrysler and GM both shut down by end of 2011.

1 out of 7 homes in the USA are either 3 months past due on the mortgage or in foreclosure and these are the owners with good credit, but terminally unemployed.

The commercial real estate bubble in the USA is just beginning to collapse.

The US government is close to insolvency at current rate of expenditures.

Canada federal deficit is completely out of control and eventually will be forced by currency markets to turn off the stupid spending.

Like the article and his majesty say; too many boats chasing to few fish.  GM and Chrysler are failed corporations and they will be replaced by other manufacturers.  It's just that simple.  Get over the nationalism.  It's irrelevant.  :)
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2009, 09:55:21 pm »
Quote from: rrocket on November 23, 2009, 07:58:18 pm
Quote from: Erik on November 23, 2009, 07:40:36 pm
Quote from: rrocket on November 23, 2009, 07:29:00 pm
Quote from: Altima1 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:48 pm
On a different note a classy organization made GM smile yesterday:)

http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2009/11/23/cup.hom.high.johnson.one.nascar/index.html?MostPopular

The same classy organization that made Toyota (and ONLY Toyota) run smaller restrictor plates on their NNS cars because they were too fast?   ::)



Can you find me one manufacturer that has not been hit with restrictor plates? They didn't invent these things for Toyota...

You misunderstand.  Toyota..and ONLY Toyota had to run a SMALLER restrictor plate than anybody else because their car was presumably too fast.  Everybody was running plates..but Toyota's had to be smaller than everybody elses....(this was in 2008 NNS....where Kyle Busch was winning everything)

The car developed 18 more hp than the rest, what is so hard to understand about that?  With the plate added it's still 5 hp over.
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2009, 10:01:55 pm »
Quote from: rrocket on November 23, 2009, 07:59:51 pm
Quote from: Altima1 on November 23, 2009, 07:44:38 pm

Absolutely.  I do not relish in the misfortune of others...but you be an A$$ and I will be in your face showing you that what goes around comes around.


Ahhhh...Ok.  I understand.  So it's only class-less when it's about GM.  Understood.   ::)

Their denial, their arrogance (We've been building cars for FOREVER, don't tell us how to build cars!), their disdain for their consumers, basically GM telling everyone to STFU, we'll do what we want.

Except for the financial aspect...I see similarities...like I said what goes around comes around.
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2009, 10:08:52 pm »
Quote from: Greg B. on November 23, 2009, 06:15:46 pm
Perhaps another $7 billion loss for Toyo as quality continues to suffer and their products fail to show any character? Consumers will demand better.

Toyota have already posted a small profit for the last quarter. That's the difference between GM and toyota - they both make mistakes but toyota takes immediate steps to address them and GM pretends they don't exist.
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2009, 10:17:31 pm »
Quote from: Altima1 on November 23, 2009, 09:55:21 pm


The car developed 18 more hp than the rest, what is so hard to understand about that?  With the plate added it's still 5 hp over.

Yes.  Toyota was penalized for doing R&D, their homework, good testing, better design, etc....

If they wanted everything to be identical with no one being better, they should just run a pure spec series or a One Design series.
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2009, 10:18:42 pm »
Quote from: Roddy on November 23, 2009, 10:08:52 pm
Quote from: Greg B. on November 23, 2009, 06:15:46 pm
Perhaps another $7 billion loss for Toyo as quality continues to suffer and their products fail to show any character? Consumers will demand better.

Toyota have already posted a small profit for the last quarter. That's the difference between GM and toyota - they both make mistakes but toyota takes immediate steps to address them and GM pretends they don't exist.

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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2009, 08:21:57 am »
Quote from: Roddy on November 23, 2009, 10:08:52 pm
Toyota have already posted a small profit for the last quarter. That's the difference between GM and toyota - they both make mistakes but toyota takes immediate steps to address them and GM pretends they don't exist.

Keep spreading the myth, brother.
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2009, 08:41:40 am »
Nascar is not racing, but instead entertainment.  There is no reward to be innovative and creative and find horsepower within the rules.  No, they'll just change the rules, even to the point where some apply to some teams and not others.

But, the viewers don't care as long as they get cars that are nose to nose trading paint to the finish line.  However, I agree that in order to create that super tight racing, a spec series should be created, not a racing sham.
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2009, 01:45:29 pm »
Quote from: articsteve on November 23, 2009, 08:03:42 pm
We are not stupid, many of us knew the writing was on the wall a long time ago  :rofl2:

In 2005 I stated on this BBS that GM would go into Chapter 11.  You GM slappies went absolutely epileptic and the insults have never stopped.  :rofl:

NEW PREDICTION:  Chrysler and GM both shut down by end of 2011.

1 out of 7 homes in the USA are either 3 months past due on the mortgage or in foreclosure and these are the owners with good credit, but terminally unemployed.

The commercial real estate bubble in the USA is just beginning to collapse.

The US government is close to insolvency at current rate of expenditures.

Canada federal deficit is completely out of control and eventually will be forced by currency markets to turn off the stupid spending.

Like the article and his majesty say; too many boats chasing to few fish.  GM and Chrysler are failed corporations and they will be replaced by other manufacturers.  It's just that simple.  Get over the nationalism.  It's irrelevant.  :)

I doubt if Chrysler makes it to 2011. GM may hang on until then, but if the market continues the freefall, GM may not make it 'til then either.

I'm predicting right here, right now, that the SAAR will not get above 10 million for 2010. If that does prove true, then Ford may not have a chance either.

Toyota is also in a precarious position. If the Yen keeps gaining against the US Dollar, Toyota, which still imports 45% of their cars into the US, their biggest market, the double whammy of the high value of the Yen, and a contracted US market is going to put Toyota into a big world of hurt. Of course Toyota happens to be much healthier than the "domestic" manufacturers, but its conceivable to see them slipping from the number one spot next year.

My guess is that we will witness further contraction of car manufacturers over the next two or three years.
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