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WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« on: November 23, 2009, 06:02:00 pm »
Auto sector headed for repeat failures, report says
Fitch: 'Boom and bust cycles without the boom'


November 23, 2009 - 4:01 pm ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- The U.S. auto industry may be caught in an "airline-style" cycle of repetitive bankruptcies because of weak sales and a glut of production capacity, Fitch Ratings said today.

High fixed costs, the lengthy periods required to develop new products and chronic overcapacity will leave the industry "littered with failures -- plants, product lines, brands and companies," Fitch said in a report.

Like the airline industry before it, the auto sector, including suppliers, will grapple with "boom and bust cycles without the boom," Fitch said.

Even in peak conditions, companies will not generate enough cash to repair their balance sheets, leaving them vulnerable to severe financial stress in downturns, the agency said.

The Fitch report was one of the rating agency's starkest outlooks yet on an industry battered by recession, slow-selling products and crushing labor and retiree costs.

Fitch is forecasting a 7.8 percent rise in U.S. light vehicle sales next year to 11.1 million units. Even that rebound, however, will leave much of the industry burning cash in 2010, the agency said.

With about $125 billion in government support already doled out for the auto industry, more aid may be extended given the prospect for weak sales, Fitch said. General Motors and Chrysler, which were both restructured with government capital, will not be in a position to access the equity markets in 2010, Fitch said.

"A number of suppliers have emerged from bankruptcy with untested business models and capital structures, which have and may result in double-dip bankruptcies," Fitch said. "The manufacturers could also fall into the same pattern."

Moreover, a double-dip recession or spike in gas prices could halt any market improvement, the agency said.

Ford Motor Co., the only automaker not to receive a government bailout, has improved its liquidity and addressed refinancing risk, Fitch said. Its access to bank loans, unsecured debt and the equity markets for now give it a competitive advantage over Chrysler and GM, Fitch said.

"Ford is best positioned from a production and product standpoint to further strengthen its balance sheet," while GM and Chrysler are still restructuring and face a more difficult road toward independently access capital, Fitch said.

Cash-for-clunkers, a government auto scrapping program meant to bolster sales, had a negligible impact on sales volumes this year but has helped improve the used car market by getting rid of older vehicles, Fitch said.

The program also pulled forward some demand, generating some much-needed revenue for the crippled supply base, likely forestalling even more supplier bankruptcies, Fitch said.
 
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2009, 06:15:46 pm »
Perhaps another $7 billion loss for Toyo as quality continues to suffer and their products fail to show any character? Consumers will demand better.

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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 06:19:00 pm »
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 06:28:49 pm »
..I think that Fitch guy has a decent premise there.....( as an aside....never ever BUY an air line Company SHARE  :bang:)................Be honest there ARE TOO MANY MANUFACTURERS and MODELS(in the WEST) chasing too few and POORER customers......................and like Air Flights    KARS are subject to whims/gas/kerosene fluctuations and inflation Plus Gouging TAXATION in CANADA...........fly me to the MOON and let me drive among the Stars....well i'll drive on the N American continent 9 times out of ten................and in an OLD(er) CAR...............................the DAZE of WHINE & ROSES are UPON US.........repent ye
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 06:29:37 pm »
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 06:32:11 pm »
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 06:33:27 pm »
...Majong tournament.......................... ;D

you lie...back of the line...no soup fa you ;D

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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 06:36:04 pm »
WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread

No need for a warning. I think they try to avoid most of AS's threads anyway.
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Re: WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 06:36:44 pm »
WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread

No need for a warning. I think they try to avoid most of AS's threads anyway.

Agreed.  Sometimes the truth hurts.   :rofl2:
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 06:46:45 pm »
WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread

No need for a warning. I think they try to avoid most of AS's threads anyway.

Agreed.  Sometimes the truth hurts.   :rofl2:

I guess we will find out if when AS's posts start including some truth....

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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2009, 06:54:57 pm »
WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread

No need for a warning. I think they try to avoid most of AS's threads anyway.

Agreed.  Sometimes the truth hurts.   :rofl2:

I guess we will find out if when AS's posts start including some truth....

Well I don't know how long you've been on the board (awhile it seems?), but 2-3 years ago AS said GM would be bankrupt shortly.  Everyone laughed at him.  But AS was right (much to the dismay of the slappies).

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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2009, 07:01:09 pm »
WARNING: GM diehards skip this thread

No need for a warning. I think they try to avoid most of AS's threads anyway.

Agreed.  Sometimes the truth hurts.   :rofl2:

I guess we will find out if when AS's posts start including some truth....

Well I don't know how long you've been on the board (awhile it seems?), but 2-3 years ago AS said GM would be bankrupt shortly.  Everyone laughed at him.  But AS was right (much to the dismay of the slappies).

And all it took for his prediction to come true was a world wide economic meltdown, the kind that has not been seen since the great depression, and the near enough destruction of the US economy. Of course, he predicted that too, right?

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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2009, 07:05:35 pm »
I wouldn't call it so much of a prediction rather than just looking at the amount of money GM was pissing away and their dwindling desirable product.  It was bound to happen.  Steve is no prophet...he just chose to point out things that the slappies chose to ignore.
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2009, 07:10:44 pm »
I wouldn't call it so much of a prediction rather than just looking at the amount of money GM was pissing away and their dwindling desirable product.  It was bound to happen.  Steve is no prophet...

I think it is very safe to say that with a 17 million unit market, GM would not have gone bankrupt when they did. All the interesting new product they have coming up now would have been in the pipeline already and would have been hitting the showrooms the same time as they will now. The revolution had begun already, especially with the launch of the 2008 Malibu. Would it have kept them out of bankruptcy in the long term? Really hard to say. However, had the economy not tanked, and with all the easy money that was rolling around, GM would certainly have kept going for a while yet.

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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2009, 07:15:30 pm »
We are not stupid, many of us knew the writing was on the wall a long time ago......the thing we have the most disdain for his is obsession to see this company crumble and disappear.....of course we can skip the thread and post....but it is everywhere and relentless.  It is one thing to poke ribs at brands and what not...this has no class...plain and simple.

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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2009, 07:19:12 pm »
I wouldn't call it so much of a prediction rather than just looking at the amount of money GM was pissing away and their dwindling desirable product.  It was bound to happen.  Steve is no prophet...

I think it is very safe to say that with a 17 million unit market, GM would not have gone bankrupt when they did. All the interesting new product they have coming up now would have been in the pipeline already and would have been hitting the showrooms the same time as they will now. The revolution had begun already, especially with the launch of the 2008 Malibu. Would it have kept them out of bankruptcy in the long term? Really hard to say. However, had the economy not tanked, and with all the easy money that was rolling around, GM would certainly have kept going for a while yet.

I won't argue with you too much on that point.  But who knows what "awhile" is.  1 year?  2?  5?  I was bound to happen.  If you look back to..say...2005 or so, GM market capitalization was :censor: poor, it cost them $6 Billion a year just for employee/retiree benefits, etc..

It was bound to happen.  It wasn't an IF...it was a WHEN...

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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2009, 07:23:48 pm »
On a different note a classy organization made GM smile yesterday:)

http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2009/11/23/cup.hom.high.johnson.one.nascar/index.html?MostPopular

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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2009, 07:26:05 pm »
We are not stupid, many of us knew the writing was on the wall a long time ago......the thing we have the most disdain for his is obsession to see this company crumble and disappear.....of course we can skip the thread and post....but it is everywhere and relentless.  It is one thing to poke ribs at brands and what not...this has no class...plain and simple.

It's a message board...deal with it.   ;D  But seriously, I think it has alot to do with GMs attitude.  Their denial, their arrogance (We've been building cars for FOREVER, don't tell us how to build cars!), their disdain for their consumers, basically GM telling everyone to STFU, we'll do what we want.  Then the corporate welfare aspect.  It's not like this was some some accident.  

Oh and Altima...I'm quite sure if Toyota went belly up a la GM, you'd be telling everyone to leave them alone and you wouldn't be poking at AS at all, right?  Because that would be below you, right?

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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2009, 07:29:00 pm »
On a different note a classy organization made GM smile yesterday:)

http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2009/11/23/cup.hom.high.johnson.one.nascar/index.html?MostPopular

The same classy organization that made Toyota (and ONLY Toyota) run smaller restrictor plates on their NNS cars because they were too fast?   ::)



But for Johnson winning 4 in a row....that's pretty amazing.  I'm not a Left-Handed Racing NASCAR fan and I don't know the answer, but would he have still won 4 in a row with the new 10 race Race Off??  How would that have played out?
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2009, 07:40:36 pm »
On a different note a classy organization made GM smile yesterday:)

http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2009/11/23/cup.hom.high.johnson.one.nascar/index.html?MostPopular

The same classy organization that made Toyota (and ONLY Toyota) run smaller restrictor plates on their NNS cars because they were too fast?   ::)



Can you find me one manufacturer that has not been hit with restrictor plates? They didn't invent these things for Toyota...