Mercedes want Michael Schumacher to drive in F1 team

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From the BBC     http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8368107.stm

    
Jordan tips Schumacher to join Mercedes

Michael Schumacher is poised for a sensational return to Formula 1 with the new Mercedes team, according to BBC Sport pundit Eddie Jordan.

Mercedes want the seven-time champion as their lead driver after taking over title-winning Brawn, Jordan says.

"The possibility is being actively pursued and I believe it is going to happen," said Jordan.

Schumacher's spokeswoman Sabine Kehm told BBC Sport a return was "highly unlikely - but never say never".

The plan is for Schumacher to be a stop-gap before Mercedes can prise German rising star Sebastian Vettel out of Red Bull, Jordan said.
Sebastian Vettel and Michael Schumacher
Schumacher could be a stop-gap before Mercedes target Vettel

The move would reunite Schumacher with Mercedes GP team boss Ross Brawn, who masterminded all his seven titles at Benetton and Ferrari.

The German, who will be 41 in January, had to pull out of a temporary comeback to F1 last year as a replacement for the injured Ferrari driver Felipe Massa because of a neck injury.

But Kehm said that while Schumacher had not had any new tests on his neck, it was expected to be healed by the end of the year.

Jordan said: "It started with a meeting between Michael, Ross Brawn and Daimler chief executive officer Dieter Zetsche at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

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That WOULD be something   Schumi vs Hamilton with the same engine.

[safristi]

..........neck and Necker..........................

[LimitedSlip]

Can Schumi still Drive (well)

[No H2O]

Can Schumi still Drive (well)

Better than most.

The question is, is he still hungry enough to win. I'm surprised he was as hungry as he was right till the very end. Most drivers shine their first year or so and then fade away.

He has nothing to prove.

[tpl]

If he drove well for just one season to show these new kids, Hamilton, Vettel, Rosberg etc. how its done.  it would be good to watch.

Button  has raced Schumacher so he knows all about it.

[rrocket]

If he drove well for just one season to show these new kids, Hamilton, Vettel, Rosberg etc. how its done.  it would be good to watch.

Button  has raced Schumacher so he knows all about it.

Washed up.  Mentally ok.  Body (neck) not so good.

[rrocket]

Washed up? Hardly. He could still drive better than most of the current grid as it is. We've been through this before, though. Although given you ride crotch rockets, you probably aren't that bright so I may end up repeating myself.

Body is fine, as he was almost back to his 2006 driving weight when he was supposed to sub for Massa. Doctors have said his neck will be fine by January or so.

Have you ever considered actually knowing what you're talking about before opening your mouth? Just wondering. You should try it.

If you can't do the job physically (as is the case now due to lingering neck injury) then you are washed up.  Given the fact that he could not perform last year in an F1 car due to injury...it seems I WAS correct in my assessment and MS agreed with me and said as much.  He was unable to do it physically.  Therefore, on the physical level for the time being, washed up.  He still has the reflexes, the mental ability and the stamina no doubt...just his neck isn't there.  So until his neck is fixed....he's washed up.

I guess if I'm not bright because I race crotch rockets, your buddy MS much be less bright than me...since he DID suffer his injury whilst riding a crotch rocket....

[Turbo Bob]

If he drove well for just one season to show these new kids, Hamilton, Vettel, Rosberg etc. how its done.  it would be good to watch.

Button  has raced Schumacher so he knows all about it.

Washed up.  Mentally ok.  Body (neck) not so good.

Well... At least you got 1 out of 3 right (the mental part). Not bad for a stupid crotch rocket donor cycle ape such as yourself.
 

  What a .

[LimitedSlip]

Maybe Schumi is mentally race challenged too!
He got beat by the DTM hotshot (who's still in diapers) in the RoC competition.
(link) auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/roc-ekstrom-beats-schumacher-to-09-crown/roc-ekstrom-beats-schumacher-to-09-crown
BTW .... way back in the mist of '92 GP time..... I was blown away by Schumi and his relentless pursuit of Senna, Mansell and Prost in Montreal! started 8th I believe and finished 3 in his first full year.....WOW!
no one since has shown that kind of early speed AND consistency in their debut race seasons....!! Hamilton!?? .... time will tell

[Turbo Bob]

Dear red rocket delight: Too bad that being physically injured does not equate being washed up. I bet that sounded great in your delusional head, but it doesn't quite work in the real world, sorry. I guess we'll have to start calling every single athlete that becomes injured "washed up" and then reinstate them once they're healed according to some guy named red rover on a message board! Oh, and he stopped racing bikes unlike you, so, yeah, he's still got that edge on you and your crotch mobile.

Why do you love Schumi so much?  As you obviously have nothing objective to say...

[safristi]

..geez........even...CarTalk insults are being outsourced...............and your muffa too!!! Sir Jam....................

[rrocket]

Dear red rocket delight: Too bad that being physically injured does not equate being washed up. I bet that sounded great in your delusional head, but it doesn't quite work in the real world, sorry. I guess we'll have to start calling every single athlete that becomes injured "washed up" and then reinstate them once they're healed according to some guy named red rover on a message board! Oh, and he stopped racing bikes unlike you, so, yeah, he's still got that edge on you and your crotch mobile.

Well certainly a fairly minor injury doesn't make one washed up.  But MS injury was major and forced him to stop racing...whether on bikes or cars.  He admitted his body wasn't able to do it.  So it's not my delusion.  It comes right from your man's mouth.  Further, he hasn't been competitive since 2004....much less raced in a competitive world series full-time.  So it will be at minimum 6 years removed from his former greatness, a nagging injury and 41 years old. 

[rrocket]

Why do you love Schumi so much?  As you obviously have nothing objective to say...

Some people just can't let go of the past would be my guess.  Or he's just dying to get out all of his old MS clothes and memoribilia for one last go? 

[sivrajam3]

Dear red rocket delight: Too bad that being physically injured does not equate being washed up. I bet that sounded great in your delusional head, but it doesn't quite work in the real world, sorry. I guess we'll have to start calling every single athlete that becomes injured "washed up" and then reinstate them once they're healed according to some guy named red rover on a message board! Oh, and he stopped racing bikes unlike you, so, yeah, he's still got that edge on you and your crotch mobile.

Well certainly a fairly minor injury doesn't make one washed up.  But MS injury was major and forced him to stop racing...whether on bikes or cars.  He admitted his body wasn't able to do it.  So it's not my delusion.  It comes right from your man's mouth.  Further, he hasn't been competitive since 2004....much less raced in a competitive world series full-time.  So it will be at minimum 6 years removed from his former greatness, a nagging injury and 41 years old. 

While I'm sure rrocket appreciates you deleting my posts, I was under the impression this was a discussion board. What's the point in having a discussion board if you delete anyone's post (which shows how someone else is wrong and misinformed)? How about you leave my post and let him defend his position and incorrect information.

Yeah... once again, your erroneous theory doesn?t add up. An injury is an injury is an injury, and it doesn?t make one ?washed up.? It makes them INJURED.

 

I?m not denying he admitted his *neck* wasn?t up to task, but you're taking it to the extreme and assuming things you have no knowledge of.

 

And as for your 2004 ?comment?, all I can see is: wrong. Are you kidding me?

a)     in 2005 the Ferrari was a dog of a car, and he consistently trounced his teammate Rubens Barrichello in the same equipment. Barrichello was quite fast the year before in the F2004, but was nowhere to be found in 2005 in terms of performance compared to Schumacher. What?s your excuse for that? Equal equipment is equal equipment, and Schumacher obliterated him in 2005 in comparison.

b)    Again, are you blind or stupid? Schumacher pushed Alonso for the championship until the last race. Had it not been for an engine failure in Suzuka, his incredible drive from the back in Brazil (due to a fuel pump failure in qualifying, and Fisichella puncturing his rear tire on lap one, turn one), he could have won. 

Once again, I will stress to you that you should consider sticking to things you actually know a lot about, instead of things you only know a little about. You?re clearly out of your league/comfort level/knowledge area. It shows. That, and you're clearly biased against the man, so anything you post is purely opinion and slaneted against him.

[rrocket]

Yeah... once again, your erroneous theory doesn't add up. Shocker shocker! An injury is an injury is an injury, and it doesn't make one "washed up." It makes them (gasp!) INJURED.

 

a)     in 2005 the Ferrari was a dog of a car, and he consistently trounced his teammate Rubens Barrichello in the same equipment. Barrichello was quite fast the year before in the F2004, but was nowhere to be found in 2005 in terms of performance compared to Schumacher. What?s your excuse for that? Equal equipment is equal equipment, and Schumacher obliterated him in 2005 in comparison.b)    Again, are you blind or stupid? Schumacher pushed Alonso for the championship until the last race. Had it not been for an engine failure in Suzuka, his incredible drive from the back in Brazil (due to a fuel pump failure in qualifying, and Fisichella puncturing his rear tire on lap one, turn one), he could have won. 

Once again, I will stress to you that *maybe* you should consider actually knowing what you?re talking about before spouting such utter garbage. Stick to talking about crotch rockets, because you?re clearly out of your league/comfort level/limited knowledge spectrum when talking about stuff like this.

 

M'kay? Thanks! ?

An injury is not just an "injury".  Would you rate Massa's injury the same as MS injury?  Clearly not.  Some are more severe than others.  Some prevent you from racing properly.  In F1, where the stresses on the neck are very high, a neck injury is pretty serious stuff. 

And 2005?  He was at no time competitive for the title.  At all.  In any way.  NOT COMPETITIVE.  If you think the definition of "competitive" is just being better than their team mate (and he should, given that he is considered one of the best of all time )then our definitions are clearly different.  In my world, being competitive means being right there in the thick of a title battle.  And he wasn't.  For crying out loud, he had 6 DNFs!!  Car or not...he was not a threat to the title..AT ALL.  Therefore, uncompetitive.

The final season tally was 133 for Alonso and 63 for MS.  Does that sound like someone who is in the thick of it and pushing Alonso all season long for the title?  Not to me it doesn't.  Can he still win a race here and there?  Sure.  Is he competitive for the title?  Nope, he wasn't.

I know MS is your hero and all...but get over it. 

FWIW, I've been to over a dozen F1 races in my life.

[sivrajam3]

Yeah... once again, your erroneous theory doesn't add up. Shocker shocker! An injury is an injury is an injury, and it doesn't make one "washed up." It makes them (gasp!) INJURED.

 

a)     in 2005 the Ferrari was a dog of a car, and he consistently trounced his teammate Rubens Barrichello in the same equipment. Barrichello was quite fast the year before in the F2004, but was nowhere to be found in 2005 in terms of performance compared to Schumacher. What?s your excuse for that? Equal equipment is equal equipment, and Schumacher obliterated him in 2005 in comparison.b)    Again, are you blind or stupid? Schumacher pushed Alonso for the championship until the last race. Had it not been for an engine failure in Suzuka, his incredible drive from the back in Brazil (due to a fuel pump failure in qualifying, and Fisichella puncturing his rear tire on lap one, turn one), he could have won. 

Once again, I will stress to you that *maybe* you should consider actually knowing what you?re talking about before spouting such utter garbage. Stick to talking about crotch rockets, because you?re clearly out of your league/comfort level/limited knowledge spectrum when talking about stuff like this.

 

M'kay? Thanks! ?

An injury is not just an "injury".  Would you rate Massa's injury the same as MS injury?  Clearly not.  Some are more severe than others.  Some prevent you from racing properly.  In F1, where the stresses on the neck are very high, a neck injury is pretty serious stuff. 

And 2005?  He was at no time competitive for the title.  At all.  In any way.  NOT COMPETITIVE.  If you think the definition of "competitive" is just being better than their team mate (and he should, given that he is considered one of the best of all time )then our definitions are clearly different.  In my world, being competitive means being right there in the thick of a title battle.  And he wasn't.  For crying out loud, he had 6 DNFs!!  Car or not...he was not a threat to the title..AT ALL.  Therefore, uncompetitive.

The final season tally was 133 for Alonso and 63 for MS.  Does that sound like someone who is in the thick of it and pushing Alonso all season long for the title?  Not to me it doesn't.  Can he still win a race here and there?  Sure.  Is he competitive for the title?  Nope, he wasn't.

I know MS is your hero and all...but get over it. 

FWIW, I've been to over a dozen F1 races in my life.

That's great that you've been to over a dozen F1 races. You clearly don't follow it closely, otherwise you would know more about it.

Stop back pedaling and changing your own stance. You said he was washed up because he was injured, I called you out on it, now you're back pedaling. Do you not see anything wrong here?

 

Again, with regards to the 2005 season, you said he was washed up and couldn't cut it anymore. You said his last competitive season was 2004, and I once again called you out on it and showed how you were wrong. In F1, the car a driver is in is VERY relevant to his performance. Look at how poorly Hamilton did early this season when the McLaren was a dog of a car, and then look at his performance later in the season when the car improved. Not much a great driver can do if the car is terrible, is there?

 

The ONLY thing I agree with you is that he wasn't a title threat in 2005, but to say he was washed up is just plain wrong. I would say comparing his performance to his teammate that year is VERY relevant, as it's the only true measure of just how bad the car was. In 2005, Schumacher scored 62 points and a pole position in Hungary (I'm not counting the "win" at the USGP), while Barrichello managed only 38 points. Schumacher scored 2 more points than Montoya in the SUPERIOR McLaren, which was by far the quickest car in 2005 (Renault was more reliable).

 

And where on EARTH are you getting your numbers for the championship points tally during his final season in 2006? Those numbers are for 2005, not 2006. In 2006, Alonso had 134 points to Schumacher?s 121. The title battle went down the very last race of the season in Brazil. He put on one of the best drives of his career to come up through the field after a fuel pump failure in qualifying, having a rear tire punctured by Fisichella in turn one, lap one, and then coming back through the field again to put an amazing pass on Raikkonen. Once again, your bias came through and you ignored all that. You said he was washed up, I proved you wrong, and now you?re probably going to back pedal again.

 
I'll say it again: know what you're talking about, because there is someone out there who knows more than you do.

If I was such a Schumi fanboy as you imply, I think I'd be a little less objective. What have I posted that isn't fact-based? What have you posted that is? I think that says it all.   

[rrocket]

That's great that you've been to over a dozen F1 races. You clearly don't follow it closely, otherwise you would know more about it.

Stop back pedaling and changing your own stance. You said he was washed up because he was injured, I called you out on it, now you're back pedaling. Do you not see anything wrong here?

 

Again, with regards to the 2005 season, you said he was washed up and couldn't cut it anymore. You said his last competitive season was 2004, and I once again called you out on it and showed how you were wrong. In F1, the car a driver is in is VERY relevant to his performance. Look at how poorly Hamilton did early this season when the McLaren was a dog of a car, and then look at his performance later in the season when the car improved. Not much a great driver can do if the car is terrible, is there?

 

The ONLY thing I agree with you is that he wasn't a title threat in 2005, but to say he was washed up is just plain wrong. I would say comparing his performance to his teammate that year is VERY relevant, as it's the only true measure of just how bad the car was. In 2005, Schumacher scored 62 points and a pole position in Hungary (I'm not counting the "win" at the USGP), while Barrichello managed only 38 points. Schumacher scored 2 more points than Montoya in the SUPERIOR McLaren, which was by far the quickest car in 2005 (Renault was more reliable).

 

And where on EARTH are you getting your numbers for the championship points tally during his final season in 2006? Those numbers are for 2005, not 2006. In 2006, Alonso had 134 points to Schumacher?s 121. The title battle went down the very last race of the season in Brazil. He put on one of the best drives of his career to come up through the field after a fuel pump failure in qualifying, having a rear tire punctured by Fisichella in turn one, lap one, and then coming back through the field again to put an amazing pass on Raikkonen. Once again, your bias came through and you ignored all that. You said he was washed up, I proved you wrong, and now you?re probably going to back pedal again.

 
I'll say it again: know what you're talking about, because there is someone out there who knows more than you do.

If I was such a Schumi fanboy as you imply, I think I'd be a little less objective. What have I posted that isn't fact-based? What have you posted that is? I think that says it all.   

You clearly misread.  I'm not backpeddaling in the least.  I think he is washed up.  NOW.  That doesn't change.  He's washed up.  I said as much in the other thread too.  Age, nagging injury, out of the sport.  In no way did I say he was washed up in 2005.  Afterall, he didn't have the injury, was still in race shape and had motivation.  He was still racing.  Go and re-read.  I said he was uncompetitive.  Let's not confuse the two.  He is washed up NOW.

And yes, I was referring to 2005 in response to your post.  I was responding to your A) part of your previous post, which you referred to 2005.  Then in your B) part, you said he pushed Alonso until the last race.  At no point did you mention 2006 AT ALL in that post.  So again...I clearly thought you were referring to 2005 (because you said 2005).  Go re-read what you wrote.   At no time did you refer to the 2006 year.

And I do know what I'm talking about.  If MS was still able to be competitive, he would have continued to race.  In a Ferrari or other car.  Surely someone with his will to win, if he thought he could win, would still be in it.  But he's not.  And he retired.  Some say it was the signing of Kimi, others say that he lost motivation...afterall, he had won/broken darn near every record in the sport.

We simply disagree on how much MS has in the tank.  I think he's running on fumes.  You think he's got plenty in the tank.  We'll agree to disagree.

[tpl]

Well I don't care if he is "washed up" or "uncompetitive". I'd like to see him do one season against tha new kids in a reasonably competitive car.

[vdk]

^^ Agreed.

[rrocket]

Well I don't care if he is "washed up" or "uncompetitive". I'd like to see him do one season against tha new kids in a reasonably competitive car.

It certainly would bring some interest and $$ to F1, that's for sure...