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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2009, 10:43:06 am » |
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I really like this car, but I'm suspicious that were it my money, I might try to find the few thou extra for the 370Z, which I think is awesome now. However, it's a great effort and nice to see some RWD cars being developed...
I absolutely love the new Z, but keep in mind: 1) you're comparing a loaded Genesis to a base Z if the price is to be but a few thou apart. You don't need to spend as much on the Genesis, and conversely, you sure can spend a LOT more on the Z if you pile on all the bells and whistles, 2) the 2-seat-ony configuration of the Z will take it out of the comparison for a lot of shoppers who - even if only occasionally - have to transport both a spouse and a child in their vehicle. Jaeger
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2009, 11:47:05 am » |
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The Genesis is a compelling proposition, but I have 2 reservations: useless for reliable year-round transportation in snowy regions; front-end styling is a miss, with generiic, smallish, "smiling mouth" grille found on numerous other asian cars. |
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2009, 12:17:11 pm » |
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The Genesis is a compelling proposition, but I have 2 reservations: useless for reliable year-round transportation in snowy regions; front-end styling is a miss, with generiic, smallish, "smiling mouth" grille found on numerous other asian cars.
The marketing demographic for this vehicle clearly is not Canada, save for the banana belt.  Railton |
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2009, 12:18:27 pm » |
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Love this car too. I think Hyundai is going in the right direction. I still maintain that Hyundai will phase out the Elentra and Accent and become Luxury division and KIA will be the volume seller.  Crazy!  |
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2009, 12:29:12 pm » |
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The Genesis is a compelling proposition, but I have 2 reservations: useless for reliable year-round transportation in snowy regions; front-end styling is a miss, with generiic, smallish, "smiling mouth" grille found on numerous other asian cars.
Same could be said of any RWD car sold in Canada. And it wouldn't make any more sense. Jaeger |
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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2009, 12:59:57 pm » |
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Are you all 19?! You can drive a RWD car in the winter. I drove a Firebird with all-seasons for 3 winters. I have 0 accidents. If you SLOW DOWN which most people don't - its not a big deal at all.
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2009, 01:20:57 pm » |
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Are you all 19?! You can drive a RWD car in the winter. I drove a Firebird with all-seasons for 3 winters. I have 0 accidents. If you SLOW DOWN which most people don't - its not a big deal at all.
You'd all be screwed if you grew up in the 80s.
I grew up and drove in the 70's, no such thing as awd or fwd or 4 snows, we got around no problem. |
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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2009, 01:31:38 pm » |
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Are you all 19?! You can drive a RWD car in the winter. I drove a Firebird with all-seasons for 3 winters. I have 0 accidents. If you SLOW DOWN which most people don't - its not a big deal at all.
You'd all be screwed if you grew up in the 80s.
I grew up and drove in the 70's, no such thing as awd or fwd or 4 snows, we got around no problem. Me too! FWIW, I've never owned a front wheel drive car. Driving a RWD coupe in Quebec City through the Winter is something that does not make much sense though where Winter lasts 7-9 months of the year. Railton |
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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2009, 01:46:08 pm » |
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I also grew up in the 70's and yes, we drove around in RWD cars (with snow tires) and FWD cars (with four season tires). And yes, we often got stuck.
My first snow tires were on a 1988 CRX Si
Nowadays, there is so much more traffic that cars are creeping slowly during rush hours. Add some snow on an icy base, and try to start uphill with a RWD car... You can say "Adios" to that 8:30 meeting.
Sure you can drive a RWD car in winter, but it's not the best option when you have to go to work every morning in a congested hilly area.
A couple of years ago, I was playing golf with a member at my club who drives a RWD M-B C350. I asked him if he had trouble driving his car in winter. His reply: "I don't have any trouble: I'm retired, so when road conditions are not good, I stay home"
Works for me.
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2009, 02:06:41 pm » |
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I also grew up in the 70's and yes, we drove around in RWD cars (with snow tires) and FWD cars (with four season tires). And yes, we often got stuck.
My first snow tires were on a 1988 CRX Si
Nowadays, there is so much more traffic that cars are creeping slowly during rush hours. Add some snow on an icy base, and try to start uphill with a RWD car... You can say "Adios" to that 8:30 meeting.
Sure you can drive a RWD car in winter, but it's not the best option when you have to go to work every morning in a congested hilly area.
A couple of years ago, I was playing golf with a member at my club who drives a RWD M-B C350. I asked him if he had trouble driving his car in winter. His reply: "I don't have any trouble: I'm retired, so when road conditions are not good, I stay home"
Works for me.
PS: Hi Railton, I live in Quebec City, and winter lasts only 5 months...
I see you drive a Forte! I was coming in to work yesterday, from a distance I was trying to figure out what that little car was, I said to myself "some little BMW?" I think.....wah...a KIA Forte Koup! Very sharp little car....sooo much nice that the Civic. |
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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2009, 02:54:16 pm » |
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PS: Hi Railton, I live in Quebec City, and winter lasts only 5 months...
Hi there, so do my in-laws! You've been spared so far this year, n'est pa? Railton |
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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2009, 10:14:44 pm » |
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James, How many lengths of 2x4's can you load into it? Railton |
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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2009, 03:09:23 am » |
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I wouldn't pay like $35,000 for a Hyundai. THe turbo one does seem like a good deal. Their resale is still not up thee with Honda. I have an 02 RSX-S taht has an aftermarket turbo. It's fast and looks good becaus emine is lowered on 19 inch chrome rims. i love it it still looks modern Car are trying to look too sleek and their fronts look too streached or ugly like the new Mazda3. |
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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2009, 08:29:06 am » |
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MaddDogg: Nobody's resale value is up there with Honda - except maybe Toyota. |
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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2009, 09:22:15 am » |
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With proper winter tires, I prefer RWD over FWD in terms of uphill startup traction. The problem is not many people bother getting proper winter tires. FWD with winter tires is pretty good, except there's no weight on the drive wheels when I startup uphill so there's a little bit of wheel slippage. |
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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2009, 09:53:36 am » |
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PS: Hi Railton, I live in Quebec City, and winter lasts only 5 months...
Hi there, so do my in-laws! You've been spared so far this year, n'est pa? Railton Yes... As skier, I'm getting impatient, as a driver, not so much. |
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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2009, 11:59:45 am » |
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I disagree with James's view that you can't fit adults in the back, IIRC I fit in there just fine. OK I wouldn't want to be there for hours but it wasn't uncomfortable. |
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« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2009, 12:03:47 pm » |
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JustBob: How tall are you?! I could fit in the back of my '87 Firebird with relative ease but the roofline on this thing looks much lower.
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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2009, 12:09:06 pm » |
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James, How many lengths of 2x4's can you load into it? Railton
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