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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2009, 01:13:23 am »

Ahh, the Evo. If it came in a hatchback, I think it would bump the Subaru twins right off my list.

Anyway, test drives have been booked: BMW is Thursday at noon, 2 p.m. for Subaru. It will be my first time ever behind the wheel of a Subaru, and the first time in probably 15 years for a BMW. (Geez, I gotta get out more.  Embarrassed )

It is too bad that the manual is not offered with the Ralliart hatch, or the hatch body style is not available on the Evo. Angry

Enjoy your test drives, and looking forward to reading your impressions. Drive
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2009, 05:22:33 pm »

How did the test drives go?

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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2009, 11:21:46 pm »

First up was the BMW 328i xDrive. The car was a sedan with the M Sport package and the Steptronic transmission. It didn’t blow me away, but rather just struck me as competently going about its business: the suspension was firmly buttoned down, yet compliant; turn in was crisp; the steering nicely weighted and linear.

Maybe it was the fault of the automatic, but I didn’t get that visceral feel for the renowned I6 engine that I was hoping for. Rather, it just seemed to be another anonymous power plant buried away under a bunch of sound deadening up under the hood somewhere.

Handling was simply pleasant and balanced: a couple of off-ramps taken at six or seven tenths just had the car shrugging it off and asking for more.

Next up was a 128i with the six speed manual. Whether it was the lighter weight, manual transmission, or lack of AWD (or likely all of the above), the car had much more of that sweet I6 goodness I was hoping for. The six speed was a delight, with short throws and a positive feel, and the engine felt more eager to rev and livelier than it did in the 328.

The 128i didn’t have the sport suspension, so I didn’t really bother checking it out in the corners: even little dips on straight sections of pavement had the car moving around more than I like.

Lastly was the WRX. Frankly, this one was a big surprise. The engine, as expected, was a riot: just mash the pedal, hang on, and grin stupidly. Then do it again, and again, and again… The handling however, was a big disappointment.

Wanting to warm up a bit and get a feel for the car, I took the first on-ramp at a reasonable seven tenths pace. Then… half way round… WTF is that? Understeer? Already?  To be sure, there was still plenty of grip left, but the car definitely lets you know very early in the game that understeer will be the order of the day.

And to top it off, the suspension is waayyy soft. Mid-corner bumps had the car bouncing and heaving unnervingly. It’s been a while, but I’m sure this car is less buttoned down than even my lowly Civic was before I fixed the suspension. After the test drive, I went back to that same off-ramp in the Civic (with its winter tires, no less), and it flat ate that corner and spit it out at the same speed that had the WRX (on its summer performance tires) bouncing all over.

To me, the car was a one-trick pony: a fantastic rush of acceleration, but nothing else. The shifter was okay, but the throws were long and it felt a bit agricultural after the rifle-bolt action of the BMW’s. As for the interior? Well, let's just say that it gives cheap plastic a bad name: even my old Civic is worlds better. 

So, at this point, I’d have to say the Subarus are out. And as much as I can see the 128i (with the sport package) being a great car, another two-door coupe doesn’t really make any sense for me, either. So it’s also out.

Which leaves the 328. I’d like to try a 328i xDrive with a manual transmission to be sure, but so far I’m thinking I could live happily with that drivetrain in the Touring. Hopefully, the manual will bring a bit of life to the car. And I think the BMW performance intake and exhaust would be required to get some of that engine character out from under all the family-sedan noise deadening.

I’m also not 100% sure that I won’t want to do some suspension tweaking on the 328i xDrive, either. Even though they drove fine today (at a moderate pace), the AWD cars don’t get the same sport suspension as the RWD cars: I’ll have to go aftermarket if I want to get the car really buttoned down.

But, of course all that makes for a ridiculously expensive car. And buying CPO isn’t even an option – a used touring with a sport package and manual transmission appears to be a mythical beast.

Of course, the last option is simply to hang onto the Civic for a while longer.  Undecided
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2009, 11:30:07 pm »

Hmmm...although they've said the 2009 WRX is soft, they still seem to like it very much in the handling department.  For me?  No biggie...I'd throw on my favorite set of springs and be done with it...
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2009, 12:03:25 am »

SiR - two things regarding the 328. First, for sure try one with the manual tranny, the auto in the 328 is not the best automatic. Second, try a 328i 9without the AWD of the xi) as you may find a more responsive car. Throw 4 winter tires on it, and you don't really need the AWD.

Just a thought or two.
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2009, 12:16:02 am »

SiR - two things regarding the 328. First, for sure try one with the manual tranny, the auto in the 328 is not the best automatic. Second, try a 328i 9without the AWD of the xi) as you may find a more responsive car. Throw 4 winter tires on it, and you don't really need the AWD.

Just a thought or two.

He's in AB though...where they get some nasty weather...
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2009, 12:28:44 am »

SiR - two things regarding the 328. First, for sure try one with the manual tranny, the auto in the 328 is not the best automatic. Second, try a 328i 9without the AWD of the xi) as you may find a more responsive car. Throw 4 winter tires on it, and you don't really need the AWD.

Just a thought or two.

He's in AB though...where they get some nasty weather...

Still not a problem, imo. I drove several different BMWs with 4 winter tires in the years I lived in both Calgary and Edmonton. There will times one needs to just slow down, AWD or not.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2009, 12:32:58 am »

Yes, the WRX would need suspension work straight off the showroom floor. That's doable, but adds a few grand to the price. Maybe at that point it would make sense to just move up to the STI? (Although I hear it's also fairly soft.)

The 328 and its all wheel drive is a tough one. Just to be clear, I only test drove the sedan because it was all they had available - it's the wagon I would purchase. And yes, I'm sure I'd prefer the RWD version, but you can't get that in Canada on the wagon.

I guess I could go to the States and buy a RWD wagon down there, but that has its disadvantages too. Not the least of which is that my wife will also be driving the car, and she's a huge fan of the AWD. If I went all the way to Montana just to avoid getting AWD, I think there would be some trouble on the home front.  Wink
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2009, 12:35:02 am »

Yes, the WRX would need suspension work straight off the showroom floor. That's doable, but adds a few grand to the price. Maybe at that point it would make sense to just move up to the STI? (Although I hear it's also fairly soft.)


A few grand??  The right spring would make a night and day difference...Cheap and easy.  Or it you must go whole hog, Bilsteins for ~$800.

Of course, if you want a car and never want to mod it.....then maybe something else is for you?
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2009, 12:47:15 am »

I don't want to rag unfairly on the poor Subie, but it was really the whole package that left me feeling cold. It may sound strange, but the one thought that kept coming to mind was that it was like driving the world's fastest tractor.

Although, maybe driving the BMWs first was a mistake. Kind of a tough act to follow.
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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2009, 01:16:47 am »

I don't want to rag unfairly on the poor Subie, but it was really the whole package that left me feeling cold. It may sound strange, but the one thought that kept coming to mind was that it was like driving the world's fastest tractor.

Although, maybe driving the BMWs first was a mistake. Kind of a tough act to follow.


Yea...the sound is.....ummmm......unique?   
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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2009, 01:35:00 am »

Yeah, the sound for sure... but also the feel of sitting up high and teetering back and forth while working that long gearshift. Even the view out over the tall hood with the center bulge felt tractor-like.

Just a very odd driving position and feel to the car overall, IMHO.
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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2009, 01:42:01 am »

C'mon....try the Genesis 2.0T.....C'mon!!!
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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2009, 10:58:51 am »

You've enjoyed the 128i thoroughly, but deemed it too impractical when compared to the 328 wagon.  What about compromising a bit on the functionality, ditching the wagon format and seeking out an '08 CPO 335i with sport pkg and stick shift?  It'll be stiffened up enough to give you the handling you're after, has more rear seat room and a larger trunk... and that TT I6 will leave you grinning ear-to-ear. 

The whole WRX driving experience is very different than a lot of other sports cars.  You can be far more ham-fisted when driving them -- sure they wallow around a lot, but the AWD and gobs of power mean you just alter your driving style to throw finesse to the wind and drive it in anger all the time. 
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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2009, 11:40:08 am »

The whole WRX driving experience is very different than a lot of other sports cars.  You can be far more ham-fisted when driving them -- sure they wallow around a lot, but the AWD and gobs of power mean you just alter your driving style to throw finesse to the wind and drive it in anger all the time. 

I've found that driving the Forester in the winter has totally changed my winter driving habits.  I no longer driver super-smoothly, but instead hammer the throttle, letting the AWD do all the "thinking" for me.  I can say, it sure is fun!  My Forester is equipped with rear LSD, making lurid AWD power slides ridiculously fun and shockingly controllable.
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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2009, 12:01:11 pm »

What about the last year of the previous gen. WRX?

By all accounts they handle much better. Still a little dour on the interior front but more than livable. 
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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2009, 01:09:45 pm »

You've enjoyed the 128i thoroughly, but deemed it too impractical when compared to the 328 wagon.  What about compromising a bit on the functionality, ditching the wagon format and seeking out an '08 CPO 335i with sport pkg and stick shift?  It'll be stiffened up enough to give you the handling you're after, has more rear seat room and a larger trunk... and that TT I6 will leave you grinning ear-to-ear. 

I hear you, and it's very tempting, but maybe some background info will shed some light on where I'm coming from:

I really don't need a new car... at all. In the last four years, I've only put 36,000 kms (total) on the Civic. I use it to drive back and forth to work (about 3 kms each way), and that's about it. Heck, I don't even really need a car at all: I should probably just sell the Civic and walk or ride my bike to work.

We also have a Suburban, and we use that for all of our trips to the dog park, weekend ski trips, and even drives to the city. My wife loves that truck, and pretty much hates everything about the Civic (too loud, too juvenile, too small inside, too uncomfortable, no all wheel drive in winter ... ).

I'm thinking that if I replace the Civic with a small hatchback/wagon, then maybe we'll be able to park the Suburban more often and use the new car instead. With another coupe or sedan, that's just not going to happen. And while I would also be happy with RWD, I know it will be much easier to convince my wife to leave the Suburban parked on winter weekends if the new car has AWD.
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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2009, 02:03:04 pm »

What about the last year of the previous gen. WRX?

By all accounts they handle much better. Still a little dour on the interior front but more than livable. 

A friend of ours has a Saabaru 9-2X Aero. I've only ridden in it as a passenger, but I came away fairly impressed.

If I do go used, I'd be looking for something only a couple years old and with low miles. Weeding through a bunch of rat-bagged old WRXs in the hopes of finding a creampuff doesn't really appeal to me.

Next up, I think I'd like to drive a late-model Audi 2.0T Avant - if I can find one with a stick, of course.
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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2009, 02:24:38 pm »

Next up, I think I'd like to drive a late-model Audi 2.0T Avant - if I can find one with a stick, of course.

Any used BMW 535Xit around your neck of the woods? Also, didn't Saab make a 9-3 AWD wagon also?  Legacy XT Wagon?
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« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2009, 02:33:21 pm »

Also, didn't Saab make a 9-3 AWD wagon also? 

The manual 9-3 SportCombi Aero/Aero-X with XWD might be worth a look, and should have depreciated quickly. Wouldn't want to own one too far out of warranty though.
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