rim exchange between Toyota Sienna 2000 and Honda CRV 1999

[telescopic]

Hello all, I want to know if the rims used by Toyota Sienna 2000 and Honda CRV 1999 are interchangeable. I do some research online from the sites mentionned in this forum.

It seems that it can be done since the rim size, bolt pattern ...etc are same. But, I read from the the post:    

Winter Rims Question!
« on: October 09, 2009, 02:44:54 pm » by alexc

that rim fitted with Honda should be "hubcentric". And he points out there some problem about the nuts too. I am confused. Any comments are welcomed.

Here the result of my research:
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MAKE TOYOTA
MODEL SIENNA
YEAR 2000    
TRACTION FWD

HUBCENTRIC WHEEL DIAMETER 15"
PCD 5-41/2


DIAMETER 15"    
MULTI WHEEL #  X42554
    
HUBCENTRIC WHEEL #  X40871

WHEEL cover  85415S
STUD OR BOLT   NFM1221
    

(46) Use nuts #NZM12, centering ring kit #CK07 and nut key #KEY1


OEM tires:  205/70-15  (667x205mm). Bolt pattern: 5x114.3 (5x4.5). Offset: 35 to 55 mm. Tires up to 707x245mm. Rims up to 21x8.5".


Stock Tire - 205/70R15         >Search Tires
Section Width:   8.07 in   205 mm
Rim Diameter:   15 in   381 mm
Rim Width Range:   5.5 - 7.5 in
Overall Diameter:   26.29 in   667.76 mm
Sidewall Height:   5.64 in   143.25 mm
Radius:   13.14 in   333.75 mm
Circumference:   82.59 in   2097.7 mm
Revs per Mile:   791.1


bolt pattern 5*114.3
thread size 12*1.5
oem hex 21mm
hub ring 60.1
oem offset +45   



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MAKE HONDA    
MODEL CRV    
YEAR 1999    
TRACTION 4X4    

HUBCENTRIC WHEEL DIAMETER  15"
PCD  5-41/2

DIAMETER 15"    
MULTI WHEEL # X42554
    
HUBCENTRIC WHEEL #  X42552

WHEEL cover  85415S
STUD OR BOLT   NFM1219
    
(29) Use nuts #NZM12, centering ring kit #CK09 and nut key #KEY1
(38) Take off wheel #X42552T available but OEM cap does not fit

      



OEM tires: (667x205mm). Bolt pattern: 5x114.3 (5x4.5). Offset: 32 to 42 mm. Tires up to 707x245mm. Rims up to 21x8.5".


Stock Tire - 205/70R15         >Search Tires
Section Width:   8.07 in   205 mm
Rim Diameter:   15 in   381 mm
Rim Width Range:   5.5 - 7.5 in
Overall Diameter:   26.29 in   667.76 mm
Sidewall Height:   5.64 in   143.25 mm
Radius:   13.14 in   333.75 mm
Circumference:   82.59 in   2097.7 mm
Revs per Mile:   791.1
   

bolt pattern 5*114.3
thread size 12*1.5
oem hex 19mm
hub ring 64,1
oem offset +55   

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[weebl]

Your post states the Honda hub bore is 64.1mm and the Toyota is 60.1mm.  If that were the only factor, the Honda wheel could fit on the Toyota but not vice versa.  However, offset is quite far off.  The Honda is 55mm and Toyota 45mm.  Too big a difference.  +/- about 2mm os okay, but beyond that, you will have rubbing issues among other problems.

[mrthompson]

If cost is a concern, get a set of proper sized used wheels from an auto recycling yard.

[Canada Stig]

You really can't use centering rings on a steel wheel, regardless of what Canadian Tire tells you.  Hub sizes are different, and you can use a ring to make a larger hole smaller, but not the other way around.

OE steel wheels for the CRV aren't that pricey - esp for the 97-2001 because the 07 and 08s were sold with steels and alloys if you got the special edition.  Therefore, there are tons out there.

The 45mm offset of the Toyota rim will likely cause rubbing on the Honda plus strain on the suspension as the rim iteself will be too close to the brake caliper and/or suspension as the Honda needs 55mm.  That is 10mm difference - or close to 1/2 inch.  In the world of wheels and offsets, that's a mile.  Offset is basically the distance from the actual centre point of the rim width to where the lug holes are located - more positive offset means more internal clearance.  Less offset means the wheels will stick out farther and be closer to the brakes - seems counter intuitive but if you draw a picture of it you will see what I mean.

Japanese cars are very particular about offsets and hub sizes - American cars seem to be more flexible, but stay true with the Japanese (and European) brands and don't go too far off OE.

[telescopic]

Thank you all. I see now that fitting Toyota Sienna rim(small hub center) on Honda CRV(large hub bore) is not a good idea.

I still want to know if there is issue in the other way around, about mounting Honda CRV rims on Toyota Sienna. Because I actually did it, but not sure if it causes harm in long term on the Toyota Sienna.

 

[Canada Stig]

I would at least see if there are centering rings you can use (I wouldn't use them on steel wheels personally, but I know you can buy them at CTC) to make them fit perfectly.  The offset going the other way should cause less of an issue, but as I said, 10mm difference in offset can be a mile in the world of wheels.  Suspension problems are inevitable over time, but for an occasional driver and a quick fix, it may be OK. 

I worked in a Honda dealer for years as a service advisor and eventually service manager and dealt with many, many dissatisfied customers whose cheap "Multi-fit" steel wheels wreaked havoc on their suspensions.   I now work at Corporate for another manufacturer in a dealer service role, and still continue to see these issues from using cheap rims that don't fit right (even though they technically "fit").  Think of it as putting a 100W light bulb in a socket that says "Max 40W".  Sure, it technically fits, but it could very well burn your house down.

IMHO, An extra $20 per rim for hub centric with the right offset (or at least an alloy with centering rings and the right offset) is worth saving a $1000 repair bill for ball joints, control arms, CV joints, etc etc.