Justanother Islander
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« on: October 31, 2009, 09:00:11 am » |
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I have a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS with OE P225/55/R18 Good Year Eagle LS 2 tires. I want to put on 16" steel wheels & winter tires (to save alloys & $$). I know that both the LS FWD & 4WD versions use P215/70/R16. Beside the fact of TPMS not functioning with them, any other issues of which I should be aware? I am open to suggestions for winter tires.
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DKaz
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 11:07:06 am » |
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If your car came with TPMS, the tire installer will be required by law to put TPMS in your second set of wheels. The work around is to not tell them which vehicle this is for. |
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 12:50:59 pm » |
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If your car came with TPMS, the tire installer will be required by law to put TPMS in your second set of wheels. The work around is to not tell them which vehicle this is for.
Do you have a link to this? The dealer said he does not have to install TPMS if we went with a different set of rims |
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2009, 11:09:12 am » |
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Well all the merrier then.  I know most shops wouldn't do it. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2009, 12:24:26 pm » |
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Never heard of any law about this, and I work at a car dealer. |
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2009, 12:30:20 pm » |
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Perhaps the laws are different in BC but certainly here in Ontario tire dealers are NOT required to install TPMS and the 5 tire sellers I talked with this fall would prefer to not deal with getting TPMS installed as most Japanese makes, require a proprietary computer interface to retrain the sensors to the car.
If the 07 outlander has the same system for TPMS as the 08 Lancers and I believe it does, then you might find the warnings from the TPMS warnings are so annoying that you will be wanting sensors installed and trained just to stop it from going off every time the car is started , every time it realizes that the temperature is below 3C any time you open a door or any other warning light is triggered. Unless some one has finally made a cheaper retraining tool you will find that Only your Mitsubishi dealer ship will have the MUT 111 Computer interface needed to retrain the sensors to work with your vehicle if you do end up wanting TPMS.
If you do opt for TPMS and assuming that the Outlander has the same system as the Lancer you will find that Dodge use the same TPMS sensors as Mitsubishi and sale the same sensors for over $20 a piece less then Mitsu although the Mitsu dealer would still need to retrain the sensors to the car.
There shouldn't be any issue with using the 16" size from the base Outlanders but you would want to be careful to get rims with the right offset for you vehicle. That info is in the owners manual. I would avoid multi fit rims personally. You will be able to easily find alloy rims from any of the online tire retailers such as the present or former forum sponsor, for less then the mitsubishi dealer will ask for steel rims, unless your Mitsubishi dealer is more reasonably priced then mine. Your tire retailer may have decent steel rims that aren't multi fits but every shop seems to be different, and when i was searching for steel rims for my lancer a couple of years ago only mitsu seemed to offer steels that weren't a multi fit.
As to winter tires there are a lot of good options such as the Bridgestone Blizzaks and Nokians. I personally have had a lot of luck with Michelins snow tires but with out experiencing the conditions where you live it is hard to say that one tire would be far superior to another. I would recommend buying a reputable brand that people you trust who live in your area have tried and are willing to recommend.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2009, 01:39:46 pm » |
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My tire shop here in BC also will not install rims without TPMS, if so equipped. They say "law" but I am guessing "lawsuit" or liability issues.
Back on topic, to the OP make sure that the 16" rims will clear the brakes. Sometimes when a manufacture puts on larger wheels, they will take the opportunity to make the brakes bigger too.
I am happy with my Blizack WS60's on the Forester, and after this last week, my wife is very impressed with the General Altimax Arctic's we put on the van for this winter. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2009, 01:52:13 pm » |
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"My tire shop here in BC also will not install rims without TPMS, if so equipped. They say "law" but I am guessing "lawsuit" or liability issues."
Interesting as TPMS is not mandatory in Canada ( yet). |
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2009, 05:52:14 pm » |
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"My tire shop here in BC also will not install rims without TPMS, if so equipped. They say "law" but I am guessing "lawsuit" or liability issues."
Interesting as TPMS is not mandatory in Canada ( yet).
My 09 Forester does not have it (Yah  ) but a fellows older Vue did and they would not do his without the TPMS. A rather heated discussion ensued between the Vue owner and the tire shop fellow while I was waiting to get my changeovers done a few weeks back. Entertaining to listen to  |
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2009, 08:16:56 pm » |
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I just had the tires replaced on my 07 Outlander this weekend. I went for the Nokian WR G2. The tire shop managed to damage the TPMS sensor on one of the wheels so I had a chance to take a look at it. It says both Mitsubishi and Daimler on it.
The guy at the tire shop stated that they will be able to register the new sensor (Mitsu OEM) with the TPMS in their shop. After few service mishaps with both my cars I doubt they are able to do that, but I'll wait and see.
Tire rotation on my Mazda3 last weekend - delayed service, incorrect tire pressure and today I just discovered that they reversed the front tires, which are directional (Nokian WR), so I have to take the car back to the shop again. I just noticed that the Nokian WR G2 (Sport Utility) are no longer directional. They are asymmetrical.
Tire replacement on my Outlander - broken TPMS sensor, failed to let me know about the broken sensor until I brought it to their attention (one wheel had rubber valve and the TPMS uses metal valve), incorrect tire pressure (after the experience last week, I had one of the guys form the shop witness when I check the pressure myself and three wheels were off from what it should have been and what they wrote on the paperwork).
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Justanother Islander
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2009, 08:58:23 pm » |
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Thanks for information & advice, as still considering various options.
It's starting to get a wee bit confusing with planned option to swap 18" alloys/GY Eagles for different 16" rims & winters. And IF it is a must for a Mitsu dealer to register TPMS on new custom fit rims, it means a special trip & more costs (the closest one is 173 km away in Moncton, NB = day off work + $48. Confederation Bridge toll + gas ON TOP OF SERVICE COSTS).
Are there any other options or considerations for wheels?
And I have yet to think of the winter tires!
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2009, 09:20:32 pm » |
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I just had the tires replaced on my 07 Outlander this weekend. I went for the Nokian WR G2. The tire shop managed to damage the TPMS sensor on one of the wheels so I had a chance to take a look at it. It says both Mitsubishi and Daimler on it (not DaimlerChrysler).
The guy at the tire shop stated that they will be able to register the new sensor (Mitsu OEM) with the TPMS in their shop. After few service misshape with both my cars I doubt they are able to do that, but I'll wait and see.
Tire rotation on my Mazda3 last weekend - delayed service, incorrect tire pressure and today I just discovered that they reversed the front tires, which are directional (Nokian WR), so I have to take the car back to the shop again. I just noticed that the Nokian WR G2 (Sport Utility) are no longer directional. They are asymmetrical.
Tire replacement on my Outlander - broken TPMS sensor, failed to let me know about the broken sensor until I brought it to their attention (one wheel had rubber valve and the TPMS uses metal valve), incorrect tire pressure (after the experience last week, I had one of the guys form the shop witness when I check the pressure myself and three wheels were off from what it should have been and what they wrote on the paperwork).
Man that's just criminally bad service... |
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2009, 09:52:22 pm » |
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I just had the tires replaced on my 07 Outlander this weekend. I went for the Nokian WR G2. The tire shop managed to damage the TPMS sensor on one of the wheels so I had a chance to take a look at it. It says both Mitsubishi and Daimler on it (not DaimlerChrysler).
The guy at the tire shop stated that they will be able to register the new sensor (Mitsu OEM) with the TPMS in their shop. After few service misshape with both my cars I doubt they are able to do that, but I'll wait and see.
Tire rotation on my Mazda3 last weekend - delayed service, incorrect tire pressure and today I just discovered that they reversed the front tires, which are directional (Nokian WR), so I have to take the car back to the shop again. I just noticed that the Nokian WR G2 (Sport Utility) are no longer directional. They are asymmetrical.
Tire replacement on my Outlander - broken TPMS sensor, failed to let me know about the broken sensor until I brought it to their attention (one wheel had rubber valve and the TPMS uses metal valve), incorrect tire pressure (after the experience last week, I had one of the guys form the shop witness when I check the pressure myself and three wheels were off from what it should have been and what they wrote on the paperwork).
Man that's just criminally bad service... Yep... At least I got 10% or $108 off my bill, but this does not include any compensation for the new troubles I discoverd on Mazda. I have a feeling they'll come back and tell me that I have to go to a Mitsu dealer to have the sensor registered too. At that point I'll ask them to have a rental dropped off/picked up from my house because there is no way I'll waste another weekend day for this. BTW: Another one I forgot to mention, on the little tag they hung on my rear view mirror, they noted thet the wheels on the Outlander have been torqued at 8 lb. ft. If that would be correct, I should expect my wheels to fall off at any time. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2009, 09:56:10 pm » |
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Too right! |
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Justanother Islander
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2009, 04:23:57 am » |
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I remember an old saying that seems appropriate about being 'penny wise and pound foolish': what we do may seem like we're saving money, but costs is more in the end.
I just had the tires replaced on my 07 Outlander this weekend. I went for the Nokian WR G2. The tire shop managed to damage the TPMS sensor on one of the wheels so I had a chance to take a look at it. It says both Mitsubishi and Daimler on it (not DaimlerChrysler).
The guy at the tire shop stated that they will be able to register the new sensor (Mitsu OEM) with the TPMS in their shop. After few service misshape with both my cars I doubt they are able to do that, but I'll wait and see.
Tire rotation on my Mazda3 last weekend - delayed service, incorrect tire pressure and today I just discovered that they reversed the front tires, which are directional (Nokian WR), so I have to take the car back to the shop again. I just noticed that the Nokian WR G2 (Sport Utility) are no longer directional. They are asymmetrical.
Tire replacement on my Outlander - broken TPMS sensor, failed to let me know about the broken sensor until I brought it to their attention (one wheel had rubber valve and the TPMS uses metal valve), incorrect tire pressure (after the experience last week, I had one of the guys form the shop witness when I check the pressure myself and three wheels were off from what it should have been and what they wrote on the paperwork).
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Yep... At least I got 10% or $108 off my bill, but this does not include any compensation for the new troubles I discoverd on Mazda.
I have a feeling they'll come back and tell me that I have to go to a Mitsu dealer to have the sensor registered too. At that point I'll ask them to have a rental dropped off/picked up from my house because there is no way I'll waste another weekend day for this.
BTW: Another one I forgot to mention, on the little tag they hung on my rear view mirror, they noted thet the wheels on the Outlander have been torqued at 8 lb. ft. If that would be correct, I should expect my wheels to fall off at any time.
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