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« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2009, 06:38:32 pm » |
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In a Honda shop, a mechanic can book in for 18 hours of work in 8 hour day
Have love people working off book rates
I'm sure most shops operate this way, but some makes are worse. Subaru has these stupid 3.5 hour services at stupidly short intervals. Does the tech spend 3.5 hours "inspecting" the car? F-no. He changes the oil, MAYBE takes it for a drive (90% no) and rolls it out. The customer just shelled out $375 in labour for an oil change. Honda has frequent high-labour "inspections" as well. So, people like me that say "no" and specify a list of real things to do (change oil, filters, other fluids, etc) don't get ripped off too badly, but I bet the majority of customers just get hosed. The tech spends 1/2 an hour and bills out 3 or more.
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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2009, 07:27:38 pm » |
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Honda has frequent high-labour "inspections" as well. And I never get them done, either. Go to yer local Midas and get their $49.00 Summer/Winter special and keep the report. Caveat emptor. |
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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2009, 07:42:50 pm » |
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I don't care how Honda does it, they should have an Accord wagon in their lineup. How hard would it be to take the current north american Accord and turn it into a wagon?   The cargo area looks small when the hatch is closed, but maybe it's just that the rest of it is so big? Also, how about a Venza? Also, I'm not quite sure I want to go back to a TDI... we're not prime candidates with long commutes, and for all the benefits a diesel offer, they certainly come with their fair share of inconvenients also.
Why isn't diesel good for long commutes? Diesels get their best mileage on the highway, and you have to stop for fuel far less often than with a gas engine. "Long commutes" is an argument against hybrids, but not against diesels, in my book. |
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"Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners. And necessity has made us allies. Those whom nature hath so joined together, let no man put asunder. What unites us is far greater than what divides us." -- John F. Kennedy, addressing Canadian Parliament.
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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2009, 08:06:21 pm » |
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"Long commutes" is an argument against hybrids, but not against diesels, in my book.
I do understand this statment
Does it mean Hybrids are not good for hiway driving? |
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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2009, 08:25:11 pm » |
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"Long commutes" is an argument against hybrids, but not against diesels, in my book.
I do understand this statment
Does it mean Hybrids are not good for hiway driving?
Hybrids offer small gains over traditional gas engines on the highway, and large gains over traditional gas engines in the city. Thus, if you primarily drive on the highway, the small gains a hybrid might offer you might not be "worth it." For comparison, diesels offer moderate gains over gas engines on both the highway and the city. |
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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2009, 08:26:26 pm » |
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Honda has frequent high-labour "inspections" as well. And I never get them done, either. Go to yer local Midas and get their $49.00 Summer/Winter special and keep the report. Caveat emptor. The same argument holds just as true for VWs though. I go to an independent mechanic who uses quality aftermarket (not manufacturer) parts, and out-of-warranty maintenance is certainly affordable. |
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"Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners. And necessity has made us allies. Those whom nature hath so joined together, let no man put asunder. What unites us is far greater than what divides us." -- John F. Kennedy, addressing Canadian Parliament.
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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2009, 08:34:21 pm » |
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"Long commutes" is an argument against hybrids, but not against diesels, in my book.
I do understand this statment
Does it mean Hybrids are not good for hiway driving?
Hybrids offer small gains over traditional gas engines on the highway, and large gains over traditional gas engines in the city. Thus, if you primarily drive on the highway, the small gains a hybrid might offer you might not be "worth it." For comparison, diesels offer moderate gains over gas engines on both the highway and the city. so getting 3.9 and rrocket 2 means nothing ? |
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« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2009, 08:56:34 pm » |
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"Long commutes" is an argument against hybrids, but not against diesels, in my book.
I do understand this statment
Does it mean Hybrids are not good for hiway driving?
Hybrids offer small gains over traditional gas engines on the highway, and large gains over traditional gas engines in the city. Thus, if you primarily drive on the highway, the small gains a hybrid might offer you might not be "worth it." For comparison, diesels offer moderate gains over gas engines on both the highway and the city. so getting 3.9 and rrocket 2 means nothing ? Those numbers are really impressive. But we're talking about Accords and Jettas and the like in this thread, not ultra-light two-seaters (hybrid or otherwise). You're not comparing apples to apples. |
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« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2009, 09:16:07 pm » |
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1511 kg (3331 lbs)(A/T) of a Golf wagon
1379 kg (3,042 lb) of a Prius
Weight. 1575 kg / 3472 Ib Honda accord tourer
So is 430 lbs a lot of difference |
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« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2009, 09:25:23 am » |
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Also, I'm not quite sure I want to go back to a TDI... we're not prime candidates with long commutes, and for all the benefits a diesel offer, they certainly come with their fair share of inconvenients also.
Why isn't diesel good for long commutes? Diesels get their best mileage on the highway, and you have to stop for fuel far less often than with a gas engine. "Long commutes" is an argument against hybrids, but not against diesels, in my book. What I meant to say is that we are not prime candidates as we do not have long commutes... as in, prime candidates have long commutes, and we do not. |
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« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2009, 02:29:18 pm » |
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What I meant to say is that we are not prime candidates as we do not have long commutes... as in, prime candidates have long commutes, and we do not.
Oh, gotcha, sorry for the misunderstanding. Anyway, have you ever thought of the Mazda5? I just thought of it last night, and even though it's got the sliding-door "stigma," it sounds like it's the right combination of interior space, price, and fuel economy for you. |
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"Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners. And necessity has made us allies. Those whom nature hath so joined together, let no man put asunder. What unites us is far greater than what divides us." -- John F. Kennedy, addressing Canadian Parliament.
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« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2009, 03:15:09 pm » |
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Anyway, have you ever thought of the Mazda5? If you look at the Mz5 also look at the Kia Rondo. My buddy just bought one and I think its really nice plus at only $20K a lot of value for the money. He has his setup for cross country road trips with a raised bed in the back where you can put bags/totes underneath, really cool setup. As to the TSX wagon, I also would have liked to see the Accord wagon but since our market has already established the TSX face as Acura there is no way they would ever do it. Still, nice to see another wagon coming over and hopefully it will spur others. |
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« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2009, 07:18:37 am » |
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What I meant to say is that we are not prime candidates as we do not have long commutes... as in, prime candidates have long commutes, and we do not.
Oh, gotcha, sorry for the misunderstanding. Anyway, have you ever thought of the Mazda5? I just thought of it last night, and even though it's got the sliding-door "stigma," it sounds like it's the right combination of interior space, price, and fuel economy for you. Don't like seat configuration of the Mazda5. And besides, wife doesn't like it at all. If anything, as quad said, the Rondo would get our interest... but, both of these are not really wagons... they're more mini-minivans. Nothing against these types of vehicles, but I'd be more interested in a wagon based on a mid-size car. It's too bad they don't make the Mazda6 Wagon anymore... I'd certainly be interested in that vehicle now... |
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« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2009, 05:27:20 pm » |
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What I meant to say is that we are not prime candidates as we do not have long commutes... as in, prime candidates have long commutes, and we do not.
Oh, gotcha, sorry for the misunderstanding. Anyway, have you ever thought of the Mazda5? I just thought of it last night, and even though it's got the sliding-door "stigma," it sounds like it's the right combination of interior space, price, and fuel economy for you. Don't like seat configuration of the Mazda5. And besides, wife doesn't like it at all. If anything, as quad said, the Rondo would get our interest... but, both of these are not really wagons... they're more mini-minivans. Nothing against these types of vehicles, but I'd be more interested in a wagon based on a mid-size car. It's too bad they don't make the Mazda6 Wagon anymore... I'd certainly be interested in that vehicle now... Rondo and Mazda5 are a bit weird... they are mini-minivans as you say but at least in the case of the Mazda5 its based on their compact car models base plus some extra height and length. Its not all that different from the wagons of old really. But I can see the odd seating configuration being an issue. What do you think about the upcoming Ford C-Max? Should be similar.... might be a bit bigger and still in the realm of the quasi-wagon. |
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« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2009, 10:02:16 pm » |
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hey shnak the mazda 6 wagon is being made but it isn't being brought here to NA. ugh. i hope honda makes the tsx stand out by bringing the 2.2L diesel but i won't be holding my breath. |
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« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2009, 12:32:14 am » |
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Don't like seat configuration of the Mazda5. And besides, wife doesn't like it at all.
If anything, as quad said, the Rondo would get our interest... but, both of these are not really wagons... they're more mini-minivans. Nothing against these types of vehicles, but I'd be more interested in a wagon based on a mid-size car. It's too bad they don't make the Mazda6 Wagon anymore... I'd certainly be interested in that vehicle now...
Hey, you never responded to the suggestion of a Venza. For all intents and purposes, the Venza FWD is basically a Camry wagon. And the CX-7 2.5L (no turbo) FWD is another wagon. Sure, they're lifted a couple centimeters, but they're still basically wagons. If an Elantra Touring is too small for you, they seem like good options. Finally, as a "and now for something completely different" moment, how about a Ford Transit Connect? |
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« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2009, 07:33:22 am » |
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Don't like seat configuration of the Mazda5. And besides, wife doesn't like it at all.
If anything, as quad said, the Rondo would get our interest... but, both of these are not really wagons... they're more mini-minivans. Nothing against these types of vehicles, but I'd be more interested in a wagon based on a mid-size car. It's too bad they don't make the Mazda6 Wagon anymore... I'd certainly be interested in that vehicle now...
Hey, you never responded to the suggestion of a Venza. For all intents and purposes, the Venza FWD is basically a Camry wagon. And the CX-7 2.5L (no turbo) FWD is another wagon. Sure, they're lifted a couple centimeters, but they're still basically wagons. If an Elantra Touring is too small for you, they seem like good options. Finally, as a "and now for something completely different" moment, how about a Ford Transit Connect? I haven't taken a close look to a Venza, but generally, I don't like Toyota's that much. Too much money for what you get. Venza and CX-7 are not wagons... they're crossovers. Wagons are sedans without a trunk. Legacy, Jetta/Golf... those are wagons. Anyways, I'm not looking for a car right now, so stop suggesting stuff to me guys! LOL! I was simply saying that I wish that there were a bigger choice of inexpensive wagons then Elantra Touring and Golf Wagon... I really hope Suzuki comes through with a Kizashi wagon. |
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« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2009, 01:46:06 pm » |
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I'm not looking for a car right now
So what do you care what out there? If you were buying that a different story |
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« Reply #58 on: November 03, 2009, 01:49:16 pm » |
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So because I'm not looking for a car at this very moment, I can't say that the TSX Touring will be way too expensive and that the market needs more affordable wagons? How does that many any sense?  |
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« Reply #59 on: November 03, 2009, 01:52:15 pm » |
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I'm not looking for a car right now
So what do you care what out there? If you were buying that a different story
Do do tell us what car you are buying right now. |
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