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« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2009, 03:04:06 pm »

  ROFL Grin Grin.........maybe the seat back frame BROKE................ RunAway RunAway RunAway.
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« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2009, 03:47:06 pm »

Slavik filed suit last year in state court in California on behalf of Bulent Ezal, whose 2005 Camry sped off a cliff into the Pacific Ocean when he allegedly tried to park it at a Pismo Beach, Calif. restaurant. Ezal was seriously injured and his wife, Anne, was killed in the accident.

Only in America could somebody sue over that.
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« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2009, 04:14:10 pm »

This kind of hysteria is exactly what happened with the so called "unintended acceleration" fiasco that Audi went though in the 1980s. I am always surprised how many working class retards believe everything they see on CNN and worse, Fox "News."
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« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2009, 06:13:23 pm »

That's also assuming the electronics behind the start button are functional.   I had cases where my computer locked up and the on/off button did nothing.  Yanking out the power cord was the only option.  I prefer old fashioned mechanical linkage than these new fangle electronic controls in between.
 


Mechanicals crap out too, my 2000 Focus, would not start, would not pull out.
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« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2009, 09:28:08 pm »

I am always surprised how many working class retards believe everything they see on CNN and worse, Fox "News."
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Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration
ABC News Investigation Uncovers Reports of 16 Deaths, Over 200 Accidents; Toyota Owners Demand Answers
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This kind of hysteria

It does seem rather early to be roasting Toyota at the stake although I think Toyota would be wise to spend more time investigating vs denying.
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« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2009, 10:37:04 pm »

Investigate what  Huh   A 2005 Camry  ROFL    The media doesn't even specify whether it was a 4 or 6 cylinder which are quite different.   It's all hype directed at idiots who love superficial media disaster stories like my mother in law.   Oh my that is a terrifying phrase; "in-law".  ROFL

 
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« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2009, 11:49:46 pm »

Investigate what  Huh   A 2005 Camry  ROFL    The media doesn't even specify whether it was a 4 or 6 cylinder which are quite different.   It's all hype directed at idiots who love superficial media disaster stories like my mother in law.   Oh my that is a terrifying phrase; "in-law".  ROFL

 

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  Proper term is "Out-Law"
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« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2009, 11:51:37 pm »

 ROFL
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« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2009, 05:39:59 am »


 #1 Toyota said in a statement on Monday that NHTSA had confirmed "that no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver's floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured."http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33592557/ns/business-autos/

 City Pig 2 But NHTSA said that was inaccurate and the government was investigating possible causes of the acceleration problem. Removing the floor mats was "simply an interim measure" and "does not correct the underlying defect in the vehicles involving the potential for entrapment of the accelerator by floor mats, which is related to accelerator and floor pan design."

"The matter is not closed until Toyota has effectively addressed the defect by providing a suitable vehicle based solution," NHTSA said in the statement, which the department said was issued to correct "inaccurate and misleading information" from the automaker.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33627890/ns/business-autos
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« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2009, 01:53:59 pm »

..I'm gonna beat my chauffeur within an inch of her life if she takes me to PIS'MO BEACH again...............has she no sensitivity................ Wink Cheesy Grin
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« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2009, 02:34:45 pm »


 #1 Toyota said in a statement on Monday that NHTSA had confirmed "that no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver's floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured."http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33592557/ns/business-autos/

 City Pig 2 But NHTSA said that was inaccurate and the government was investigating possible causes of the acceleration problem. Removing the floor mats was "simply an interim measure" and "does not correct the underlying defect in the vehicles involving the potential for entrapment of the accelerator by floor mats, which is related to accelerator and floor pan design."

"The matter is not closed until Toyota has effectively addressed the defect by providing a suitable vehicle based solution," NHTSA said in the statement, which the department said was issued to correct "inaccurate and misleading information" from the automaker.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33627890/ns/business-autos


Sounds like we're in a rush to put this under the mat. Wink
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« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2009, 03:28:35 pm »


Mechanicals crap out too, my 2000 Focus, would not start, would not pull out.

Then you have no worries about being killed in an out of control Focus.  Smiley

The throttle cable in my old Sentra snapped.  It didn't cause a run away condition.   But it gave my SIL a good scare.   
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« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2009, 04:12:49 pm »


Mechanicals crap out too, my 2000 Focus, would not start, would not pull out.

Then you have no worries about being killed in an out of control Focus.  Smiley

The throttle cable in my old Sentra snapped.  It didn't cause a run away condition.   But it gave my SIL a good scare.   

I had a clutch cable snap on my Gremlin, a long long time ago, busy intersection in Ottawa, that sucked.  What a POS that was.
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« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2009, 04:14:21 pm »

Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/sudden-acceleration-toyota-cars-owners-rebel-accidents/story?id=8980479

ABC News Investigation Uncovers Reports of 16 Deaths, Over 200 Accidents; Toyota Owners Demand Answers
By BRIAN ROSS, JOSEPH RHEE, ANGELA M. HILL and MEGAN CHUCHMACH

Nov. 3, 2009 —

Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars."

Safety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour.

Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them.

Watch the full report tonight on 'World News with Charles Gibson' and 'Nightline'.

"I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal.

"I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden& my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down."

James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle.

Toyota officials refused to talk with ABC News about the incidents, but posted a statement from executive Bob Daly on its website last night that said: "Some news reports suggest there may be other causes of unintended acceleration, speculating about electronic engine control systems, braking performance or electro-magnetic interference among other theories. There is no evidence to support these theories."

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has done six separate investigations of such acceleration surges in Toyotas since 2003 and found no defect in Toyota's electronics.

Some Toyota Owners Point to Problem Other than Floor Mats

Many Toyota owners remain convinced that an electronic problem is to blame.

Bulent Ezal was driving with his wife of 46 years in their Toyota Camry in central California, when he says it suddenly took off. The car plunged over a 100 foot cliff into the Pacific ocean, and while he survived, his wife did not.

"All of a sudden the car surged with force and I was thrown back to the seat," Ezal said. The last thing he heard was his wife screaming before he blacked out. Toyota says the accident was caused by Ezal mistakenly pushing the gas pedal, but Ezal is adamant that his foot was "absolutely, positively on the brake."

There have been other deaths as well, including a fatal accident near San Diego this August that took the lives of California Highway patrol officer Mark Saylor, his wife, daughter and brother-in-law.

The Lexus they were driving, borrowed from a dealer, raced out of control at 100 miles an hour before hitting another vehicle, crashing into an embankment and bursting into flames.

Right before the crash, Saylor's brother-in-law called 911 from the backseat of the vehicle and said urgently, "Our accelerator is stuck. We're in trouble&There's no brakes."

Toyota said the problem was the wrong-sized, all-weather rubber floor mat in the car which was caught and held down the gas pedal. The company ordered a huge floor mat recall for 3.8 million cars.

In Tokyo, the president of Toyota, Akio Toyoda, formally apologized, saying, "Four precious lives have been lost. I offer my deepest condolences."

But many Toyota owners remained unconvinced, including Elizabeth James in Denver, CO and her husband Ted. They organized a YouTube campaign accusing Toyota of gross negligence and cover-up and are demanding answers.

To see more of ABC News' investigation, tune in to 'Nightline' tonight.

Was this not aired last night?
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« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2009, 04:33:06 pm »

Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/sudden-acceleration-toyota-cars-owners-rebel-accidents/story?id=8980479

ABC News Investigation Uncovers Reports of 16 Deaths, Over 200 Accidents; Toyota Owners Demand Answers

Was this not aired last night?

Yup I missed the previous posting of this one here
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« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2009, 07:37:07 am »

Cases ignored!!

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-fi-toyota-recall8-2009nov08,0,6120294.story
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« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2009, 01:05:10 pm »

Toyota owners file class-action suit over unintended acceleration
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By Mark Kleis

Amidst the recent 3.8 million vehicle recall by Toyota and a conflicting statement by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, there is a new development in regards to the “unintended acceleration” problem which involves over 2,000 documented cases experienced by Toyota and Lexus drivers since 2000.

As of Thursday, November 5th a Redlands California-based law firm has filed a class-action lawsuit against Toyota Motor Corp. on behalf of two Los Angeles County residents which have each experienced multiple cases of unintended acceleration. The class-action suit is intended for Toyota and Lexus owners who were involved in automotive accidents as a result of unexplained sudden acceleration.

The issue surrounding the unintended acceleration of Toyota and Lexus vehicles was launched into the national media after a tragic accident in Santee, California on August 28th. The accident involving a Lexus loaner vehicle took the lives of four family members – including an off-duty California Highway Patrol officer after the vehicle accelerated to over 100 mph and would not slow down.

After the story gained significant media attention, Toyota released its largest ever recall of 3.8 million vehicles, which outlined the need to remove and eventually replace the floor mats which were believed to have been causing the unintended acceleration by pinning the accelerator to the floor.

In a statement from the law firm filing the class-action lawsuit, attorney David Wright said, “Neither driver error nor floor mats can explain away many other frightening instances of runaway Toyotas.” Wright also said, “Until the company [Toyota] acknowledges the real problem and fixes it, we worry that other preventable injuries and deaths will occur.”
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« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2009, 05:03:10 pm »

Someone over at Audi is thinking...

"' glad it's not us this time..."
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« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2009, 05:25:10 pm »

Someone over at Audi is thinking...

"' glad it's not us this time..."

It wasn't even them the first time. All that bad publicity and it was never reproduced, except for that 60 Minutes fakery.
Didn't bother me much, I got a great deal on a used 5000 turbo quattro 5-speed when the prices took a nosedive.
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« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2009, 05:50:16 pm »

It wasn't even them the first time. All that bad publicity and it was never reproduced, except for that 60 Minutes fakery.

I know.  They were the first real target.  All makes have been in the sights of the unintended acceleration buffoons since, but it's never gone anywhere.

It's all been driver error. 

I remember when drive-by-wire starting coming out in a big way.  Lots of car enthusiasts figured DBW would be the new reason for UA claims.

Floor mats have been done before, but not to this extent.

When I installed the rubber mats in the Corolla, I did as I have done on every other car we've owned and carefully installed the driver's mat ensuring it was properly secured to the little post thing.  It's always been known that an errant mat can interfere with the brake and/or accelerator pedals.

So now we have to have special "failsafe" systems that do what?  Only allow WFO throttle for 1 second and then the engine shuts down?  Cripes.
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