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I understand that one would like a higher cruising gear, but I think if they experienced a 1.5L naturally-aspirated engine turning at below 3000 RPMs at 100 Km/h, they might just change their tune.
True enough. My '85 MR2 would turn about 2750 at 100km/h in top gear, and it was exactly at that point where it made a very irritating drone. The solution, of course, was to speed up to 120. 
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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2009, 10:41:17 pm » |
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Looking at the interior shot, the ONLY thing that screams "cheap plasticky bits" is the KIA logo on the steering wheel. If it came with a bit more subdued logo (no bold font) and maybe not shiny plastic but instead a nice inlay into the steering wheel, it'd be a top notch compact car interior. |
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2009, 06:31:09 am » |
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I'm not sure about the Koupe, but IMO, the interior materials in the Forte sedan are at par with the Lancer not Mazda3.
Nice design though and the execution is fine (in the cars I sampled at least).
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I asked this before, but perhaps it got lost in the clutch discussion.... Are the door and centre console armrests padded in this model? The Forte sedans I've been in (base and mid trim I think) had pure hard plastic armrests, which I found extremely uncomfortable and I consider it's a retarded cost-cutting measure (I use them every day and it's one thing I look at inside of a car). |
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2009, 08:20:13 am » |
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Not super padded but they don't seem to be that very hard plastic. The centre armrest is harder than the door one though, pretty close to super hard. I'll check again today. |
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2009, 10:27:05 am » |
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this clutch situation almost sounds like the PDI's are not getting done correctly  I own a KIA Rondo and with over 46,000 km on it, I am very pleased with the vehicle. Its as tight and rattle free as the day I bought it and can't fault the fit and finish. |
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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2009, 10:55:29 am » |
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this clutch situation almost sounds like the PDI's are not getting done correctly How do you remap the fuel injection and re-engineer the clutch on a PDI? |
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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2009, 11:41:50 am » |
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this clutch situation almost sounds like the PDI's are not getting done correctly How do you remap the fuel injection and re-engineer the clutch on a PDI? Maybe PDi means Pos DESIGN Inspection ;-) |
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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2009, 11:46:42 am » |
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I asked this before, but perhaps it got lost in the clutch discussion.... Are the door and centre console armrests padded in this model? The Forte sedans I've been in (base and mid trim I think) had pure hard plastic armrests, which I found extremely uncomfortable and I consider it's a retarded cost-cutting measure (I use them every day and it's one thing I look at inside of a car).
The centre console armrest is well-padded. The door armrest is hard plastic. |
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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2009, 12:07:57 pm » |
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"if you buy a Forte in manual form you will get used to it stalling every once in a while and you’ll get good at restarting it. Think of it as a fuel saving feature." LOL!! |
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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2009, 10:09:59 am » |
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9.8L / 100km is average for this kind of vehicle? PARDON? 7.5 in mixed driving was typical for my Civic Si. Jeez, even my Honda Odyssey averages about 11/100km and it is a TANK. My odyssey can get 8.8L/100km on a highway run - that is NOT impressive for a car this size. Tercels, Civics, Focus(es) etc are all typically below 7L/100km on the highway - even the 2.5L Mazda 5, a far more powerful and refined car than this kia, does 8.0/100 on the highway. Sorry, but this is pitiful fuel economy. |
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« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2009, 10:14:48 am » |
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But does the tester know how to drive a car, beside using "drive it like you stole it " method  |
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« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2009, 10:15:37 am » |
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..hey WING gave it 3 @ 1/2 ***'s.....................WHY.....maybe he tho't he woz still in the Porsche !!!!!! |
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« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2009, 11:40:12 am » |
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9.8L / 100km is average for this kind of vehicle? PARDON? 7.5 in mixed driving was typical for my Civic Si. Jeez, even my Honda Odyssey averages about 11/100km and it is a TANK. My odyssey can get 8.8L/100km on a highway run - that is NOT impressive for a car this size. Tercels, Civics, Focus(es) etc are all typically below 7L/100km on the highway - even the 2.5L Mazda 5, a far more powerful and refined car than this kia, does 8.0/100 on the highway. Sorry, but this is pitiful fuel economy.
You have to take my averages in context with the rest of my blogs, I do not drive the same route as you. I would average 14L/100km in an Odyssey |
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« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2009, 12:39:28 pm » |
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You have to take my averages in context with the rest of my blogs, I do not drive the same route as you. I would average 14L/100km in an Odyssey
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« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2009, 12:59:06 pm » |
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I would average 14L/100km in an Odyssey From EPA rating 14.7 city 10.2 hwy So you would drive an Odyssey with an egg under the gas pedal  |
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« Reply #55 on: October 13, 2009, 02:32:14 pm » |
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9.8L / 100km is average for this kind of vehicle? PARDON? 7.5 in mixed driving was typical for my Civic Si. Jeez, even my Honda Odyssey averages about 11/100km and it is a TANK. My odyssey can get 8.8L/100km on a highway run - that is NOT impressive for a car this size. Tercels, Civics, Focus(es) etc are all typically below 7L/100km on the highway - even the 2.5L Mazda 5, a far more powerful and refined car than this kia, does 8.0/100 on the highway. Sorry, but this is pitiful fuel economy.
Since when is a 167 hp 2.5 l Mazda engine "far more powerful" than a Forte Koup with 170hp and 168lb ft of torque? |
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« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2009, 04:59:28 pm » |
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9.8L / 100km is average for this kind of vehicle? PARDON?
Anecdotal numbers from different people driving different speeds, with different driving style at different locations is completely 100% useless for comparison purposes. You need some kind of standard mpg comparison that is done the same for each car. Personally I like Consumer reports as the actually drive cars over three different repeatable tests and use inline fuel flow meters for accuracy. EPA testing is on a treadmill and they even just take the manufacturers word for it in a number of cases instead of conducting the test themselves. CR hasn't tested the Forte yet, but the tested a 2.5L KIA optima (bigger car??). It got identical combined MPG (25 Miles/USG) in their testing to the Mazda 3 with 2.5L. So I would say the KIA Forte to do at least as well and get fairly normal MPG for a 2.5L small sedan/coupe. Certainly cars with smaller 1.8L engines will get better fuel economy. |
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« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2009, 06:11:34 pm » |
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Just a quick update on the gas mileage I averaged 7.5 from Ottawa to Montreal at 120 |
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« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2009, 07:18:59 pm » |
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CR hasn't tested the Forte yet
I wonder if they will deem it "NOT ACCEPTABLE" for the stalling problem? Surely that is a real safety issue... and they haven't been able to feature that on a cover for 30 years or so. |
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« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2009, 09:56:01 pm » |
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I hope I never have to hear about this car again. Its a KIA people! |
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