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Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride - UPDATE: WRX ORDERED
« on: September 24, 2009, 10:12:05 am »
Alright, haven't posted on this board in a long time, but I'm starting to get the new car itch.  The GT is about 4.5 years old now and it might be time to put her out to pasture.  Mind you, it only has about 53k on it and I haven't had ANY unscheduled maintenance or repairs on this car in my time of ownership (well done Ford)...and I've driven it year round, including a few roadtrips north through borderline blizzards.  My thinking is, I'll probably drive it again through this winter and aim for a new car delivery in March or so.

New car criteria:  I had been lusting after 335i sedans over the last couple of years, especially the LCI facelifted 2009 models.  I even went so far as to locate a guy selling a nearly brand new, black on black 2009 sedan with sport package that was only 3 months old (long story...but great price, he may still be on autotrader for those interested)...but I just couldn't pull the trigger.  With the purchase of a house this past year, and an upcoming wedding next year, the 335i is just too much $$$.

So I'm looking for something more economical, but still sporty.  I'd like more practicality than I currently have with the stang (with the new house and all), and yet something more compact:  4-door hatchbacks!  3 obvious contenders have risen to the top of the heap:

MAJOR CAVEAT:  I haven't test driven any of the cars.  I'm away for the first 2 weeks of October, and will begin the test drives/negotiations when I return.


The Front Runner:  2010 GTI
I really like the new styling, I've only read great things about the driving dynamics, and it has far and away the most luxurious, high quality interior.  I have some reservations about VW quality:  The 2.0T TSI powerplant seems to be fairly solid, mostly just the German electrical glitches, etc.  Also, it's underpowered compared to the other 2, but a stage 1 APR tune can change all that :)
Likely Options: Black paint, Leather package, 18 inch wheels

The 'Other' FWD Contender: 2010 MS3
Again, I've only read great things about the driving dynamics of this car.  It comes totally loaded (including navi...although i don't value navi that much) and the interior is 'nice', although a little weird to me with the faux red carbon fiber...stuff.  Styling is a little odd on the exterior, but in black, the smile would at least be toned down.  Overall, it might be a little too wild in terms of styling and the amount of power driving those front wheels, but a test drive is certainly in order.  Price is pretty much exactly the same as the GTI I optioned above. 

The AWD Wildcard: 2010 WRX265
I spent a lot of time looking at the subie, and it is a great package in this class.  AWD is obviously a huge addition, although it will certainly suck more gas and I really don't do much driving outside of town.  The performance is likely to be huge out of this thing, no doubt.  However, I really don't like the exterior much and the interior really looks to be the worst of the bunch (by a fair margin).  Also, it costs more.  But subie's have typically been of high quality..and hey, it's AWD!  I'd probably consider the Limited edition for those leather seats.

So those are the options, have your say!  Obviously, you can tell I'm leaning towards the GTI.  Mostly my reasoning is, after 5 years (by the time I make the switch) in the stang, I think I'd like a little more luxury/refinement over pure, gas-guzzling performance.  Also, 'from what i've read', the power from the 2.0T seems to come on much lower in the RPM band than either the MS3 or WRX, and I'm not much for revving the hell out of my car during 99% of my driving.  On a track would be a different story...but I'm never on a track.

Obviously, test drives are in order.

In terms of the purchase, I'd likely be looking at a 36 or 48 mo financing depending on the rates available.  Ideally, I'd be able to trade the stang in and save the hassle of selling privately AND save the tax difference on the new car.  But a low milage GT can collect decent money privately (especially with the BORLA!!! :D), so i may have no choice.

Have at it.

« Last Edit: December 31, 2009, 03:38:54 pm by evil_twin »

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 10:16:30 am »
Sounds like a good selection to check out, Evil.

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 10:25:25 am »
I have not driven any of the 3 cars. But as you mention practicality then I will say that the 2008 GTI 5dr is good for people BUT compared to earlier GTIs  ( MkII and MkIII anyway) it has a smaller hatchback because the independent rear suspension takes up space. But then it does ( 2008 anyway) have what is effectively a full size spare ( 205/55-16).

yes the tubro 2litre does pickup its power/torque from 1800 rpm or so well enough but if you go and test drive a DSG version then check the difference between "sport" and "drive" and indeed the car does really like a big footful of revs to get going.  A nice easy way to check the performance.

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 10:28:13 am »
You can compromising on the exterior looks, but don't compromise too much on the interior of the vehicle IMO. Afterall, it's what you'll be looking at for the next 4-5 years.

Certainly not a bad pick out of those though. Doesn't Mitsubishi also have a car similar to those listed here?

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 10:29:46 am »
Tpl, your post brought up a good point.

I will CERTAINLY be getting a true manual.  And from what I've read, some don't love the 5 speed in the WRX.

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 10:49:21 am »
Doesn't Mitsubishi also have a car similar to those listed here?

Good question....why isn't the Mits on the list?

I think it will come down to what you want in the end. I feel the GTi offers a little bit of everything over the other choices.

It doesn't have the power of the other two but it isn't slow either, will return very good fuel economy when driven normal (even decent when pushed), great interior, sports seats :) and enough handling/power to still get you in plenty of trouble with the "Stunting Police".

Take either the WRX or MS3 for the better handling and more power, bonus point to the WRX for AWD. If you plan on many track days, I'd lean this way.

Personally, I don't miss the 1 second longer it takes me to get to 100kph vs the other two and enjoy the nicer interior of the GTi.
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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 11:03:53 am »
I work with one guy with an accessport-tuned MS3 and another (my brother) with an accessport-tuned 265 (and I've driven a few '08 GTI's).  Both Japanese cars are exhilaratingly powerful and will make the Stang feel like an F150 by comparison in terms of handling, braking and even acceleration, but neither has the luxurious feel or refinement of the VW. 

The AWD of the Subie really is the trump card here though.  I will be VERY surprised if the FWD doesn't wear very thin for you in very short order.  Exiting a corner (or turning from a stop sign / light) you'll get blinking TCS lights flashing at you every time if you try to have even the slightest accelerator fun in the MS3 (or presumably a tuned GTI).  The WRX, on the other hand, is like a cat on a carpet.  And while it may not look as fancy inside, it's very well put-together and the finish on white paint on my brother's car is really pretty nicely done too. 

Plus, you've got to admit it'll be fun putting a few hundred dollar Cobb accessport on it and being able to smoke every other car in the family (short of the M6).  :)

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 11:12:31 am »
GD, agreed.

I am a little leery of the move to FWD.  I'd love it if VW was bringing that R20 to Canada (could happen) and had it priced at least close to the WRX (not happening).

Again, 'spirited' test drives are certainly in order.  The sales associate may not like the abuse I deliver to their demo models.  But they should expect no less when I announce my arrival with the roar of the GT.

(Oh, how I'll miss that roar....but not the drone when in 5th gear on the hwy)

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 11:14:32 am »
... With the purchase of a house this past year, and an upcoming wedding next year, the 335i is just too much $$$.

Can your Mrs contribute to the car fund?  :)

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 11:16:39 am »
nice delema to have.  i would add the audi A3 to the list.

also, i would pull the trigger sooner rather than later...you may end up with only enough money for a hyundai accent after having a wedding and buying a new home.

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 11:31:11 am »
The AWD of the Subie really is the trump card here though.  I will be VERY surprised if the FWD doesn't wear very thin for you in very short order.  Exiting a corner (or turning from a stop sign / light) you'll get blinking TCS lights flashing at you every time if you try to have even the slightest accelerator fun in the MS3 (or presumably a tuned GTI).  The WRX, on the other hand, is like a cat on a carpet.  And while it may not look as fancy inside, it's very well put-together and the finish on white paint on my brother's car is really pretty nicely done too. 

Exiting a corner (or turning from a stop sign / light) you'll get blinking TCS lights flashing at you every time

Not even through corners, my TCS will light up every time in first gear with full throttle, sometimes in second gear.....don't even think about it in the wet. I can only imagine how the MS3 would be.

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2009, 11:32:16 am »
Hmm...thought about the A3.  And I've always liked it, mostly b/c I prefer the styling of it over the current GTI.  But with the mkvi I think the exterior is now pretty close, and from most reviews, the MKVI interior is actually nicer than the A3's.

Biggest problem: you can't get the A3 2.0T quattro in stick...only DSG.  And since the manual tranny is more important to me than the quattro, I'd be stuck with a A3 2.0T FWD...and I can't see why I'd pay more for that than a 2010 GTI.


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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2009, 11:35:31 am »
That is a very nice list of cars you have put together. I can't imagine that you will be disappointed with either of these choices.

I work with one guy with an accessport-tuned MS3 and another (my brother) with an accessport-tuned 265 (and I've driven a few '08 GTI's).  Both Japanese cars are exhilaratingly powerful and will make the Stang feel like an F150 by comparison in terms of handling, braking and even acceleration, but neither has the luxurious feel or refinement of the VW. 

The AWD of the Subie really is the trump card here though.  I will be VERY surprised if the FWD doesn't wear very thin for you in very short order.  Exiting a corner (or turning from a stop sign / light) you'll get blinking TCS lights flashing at you every time if you try to have even the slightest accelerator fun in the MS3 (or presumably a tuned GTI).  The WRX, on the other hand, is like a cat on a carpet.  And while it may not look as fancy inside, it's very well put-together and the finish on white paint on my brother's car is really pretty nicely done too. 

Plus, you've got to admit it'll be fun putting a few hundred dollar Cobb accessport on it and being able to smoke every other car in the family (short of the M6).  :)

Well said GD. I agree completely with your assessment.

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2009, 12:00:52 pm »
Actually, another positive point to the 2010 WRX is that the price is now 'only' $33k vs. $36k for the Limited (better stereo, leather seats).

So the base WRX is exactly the same price as the MS3 and GTI.  I'd have to see these leather seats to see if they're in fact worth the upgrade.  In the GTI, the leather package upgrades the seats to leather as well as top sport style (bigger blostering, etc..which isn't available with the cloth) and a power sunroof.  That's worth the $2600 package to me.  Not sure the subie's upgrade is really worth the $3000 they charge.

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 12:49:50 pm »
I'd also like to see the leather seats to see if it is worth the extra coin. I think in the Subie a sunroof is also part of the Limited package (along with the stereo upgrade you mentioned).

In any event, unless the leather seats are to die for, I'd probably choose the base WRX to compare with the MS3 and GTI.

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2009, 01:34:48 pm »
The MK6 has the new trick diff up front. No more flashing lights.. in the dash at least. ;)

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2009, 01:37:11 pm »
Import a lightly used 335i from the US. Problem solved  ;D
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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2009, 04:41:07 pm »
One further thought though... by spring, you should be able to find a Certified Series 335i that will likely end up costing you the same, or less, than the other cars on your list -- especially when you consider the incredible finance rates (likely to be as good as, or better than, the new car rates for those new models!). 

C'mon, be like the rest of your family (except for that Infiniti-driving black sheep of a brother) and get a Bimmer.  Vee Germans must assimilate you...   ;)

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Re: Evil Twin's "Likely" Next Ride (2010 GTI vs 2010 MS3 vs 2010 WRX265)
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2009, 08:39:15 am »
One further thought though... by spring, you should be able to find a Certified Series 335i that will likely end up costing you the same, or less, than the other cars on your list -- especially when you consider the incredible finance rates (likely to be as good as, or better than, the new car rates for those new models!). 

C'mon, be like the rest of your family (except for that Infiniti-driving black sheep of a brother) and get a Bimmer.  Vee Germans must assimilate you...   ;)

Based on the current prices I see for a CPO 335i (even an 2007 sedan), the only way the price will drop to mid-30k is if it has far more kilometers than i would want on a used car.  Really, if I was going to the go the 335i route, the seller I mentioned in the first post had the very best package:  2009, Black on Black leather, Sport package, 6 speed, aluminum trim, 8,000 km, 4 yrs of warranty/maintenance.  Asking $44,900.  That's a great deal for the car, but still more cheddar than I'm looking to put down.

Plus, the long term costs of operating a CPO 335 vs a brand new GTI/MS3/WRX would almost certainly be higher....maybe even significantly so.